19 | Ilkay Gundogan - 2024/25

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Genuinely makes me sad watching him play football

He's just doesn't have "it" anymore and it's so obvious to anyone with eyes apart from Pep apparently

Think Pep needs to save him form himself

We can't let guys like McAtee or O'Reilly leave due to lack of gametime, they are the future... Gundo isnt

If he was putting in 7/10 performances week in week out but he's not, he is maybe the least physical midfielder in the Prem right now
 
I think he can play in a forward role. Just not in midfield anymore. Unless as a sweeper.

The issue tonight imo was that Pep lined us up horribly again. Stones in midfield just clogged up any space. Then no one was making runs into the huge space behind their defence.
 
Sad to see, but he is absolutely cooked at this level. Even in the premier league against far less superior sides he has looked out of his depth. Just keep him around to offer advice to the youngsters on the training pitch.

It's painful to watch him now and it's creating more and more anguish every time we see him play.
 
Sad to see, but he is absolutely cooked at this level. Even in the premier league against far less superior sides he has looked out of his depth. Just keep him around to offer advice to the youngsters on the training pitch.

It's painful to watch him now and it's creating more and more anguish every time we see him play.
Rodri's injury forcing him to play so much more than he was supposed to already has taken a toll on him. Love him to bits, but we can't risk our midfield security to force him into the lineup.
 
I don't even think it was Gundo's fault tonight. Foden isn't a left winger and Bernardo hasn't been good on the right wing for at least a couple of years now. Bizarre selection
Gundogan starting wasnt the problem.

Its how Pep used him, way too high up.

Like we saw against Chelsea, he would be better deeper, pulling the strings for the attackers ahead of him, Bernie as well.
 
Gundogan starting wasnt the problem.

Its how Pep used him, way too high up.

Like we saw against Chelsea, he would be better deeper, pulling the strings for the attackers ahead of him, Bernie as well.
Absolutely, the team selection tonight was all wrong.
 
Sacrifice had to be made but it wasn't because he was shit. We needed production from the wings. He was probably the only player actually moving into space most of the first half was never going to be of any use though with the lack of penetration behind or through the wings.
 
Gundogan starting wasnt the problem.

Its how Pep used him, way too high up.

Like we saw against Chelsea, he would be better deeper, pulling the strings for the attackers ahead of him, Bernie as well.
Yep, he is unable to play with back to goal any more, he’s too slow. Needs to be deeper if he is going to play, so he can see what’s in front of him.
 
A lot of fans got what they wished for with today's team. I hope it was worth it.

Our best performances recently, vs Ipswich and Chelsea, were with Gundo in the team. Not because he's still excellent, but because Kova and Bernie are insufficient in the middle. Marmoush and Foden aren't midfielders, or didn't play like ones.

The mob has decided Gundo is the biggest problem. That's silly and sad. It's not his fault other players can't stay fit or don't help in defence. He should be treated like a legend.
 
Our best performances recently, vs Ipswich and Chelsea, were with Gundo in the team. Not because he's still excellent, but because Kova and Bernie are insufficient in the middle. Marmoush and Foden aren't midfielders, or didn't play like ones.

The mob has decided Gundo is the biggest problem. That's silly and sad. It's not his fault other players can't stay fit or don't help in defence. He should be treated like a legend.
Gundo was brought back on a free to be a squad player. He has done his coaching badges and would have been a great player coming off the bench. But injuries mean Pep has had to play him in most matches. At this point Gundo and Kev should be used sparingly. But shit happens sometimes.
 
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