Russian invasion of Ukraine

CTID1977 said:
kremlin lost first chechen war, couldn't achieve major success during the second one, in 2008 failed to take Georgia. Guess what won them those wars? They bought local traitors. That's the only way for midget **** to win in Ukraine
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Indeed, and watch the pea.

Russia has been demanding democratic elections in Ukraine as part of a settlement.

The US has started parroting the line too.

In other words, both would like to remove Zelensky and replace with a pliant corrupt oligarch. So much easier to deal with.

Per above, the US is currently hostile to us and to democratic rule in general.
 
Out of the 30 minerals listed as critical,22 of them are in Ukrainian soil.
A draft agreement has been given to US reps in Munich,who have asked to have till 5pm to decide.
Then Ukraine drop into the matter...

"We are ready to create a mining enterprise in Ukraine,together with the EU"

Slava Ukraini.
 
mosssideblue said:
Indeed. It's such a waste that Russia has gone down the route of tyrany and aggression towards others. Brainwashed by a few, that is where they will remain
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I think the sheer size of the place, and the huge cultural disparity between the two principal urban centres and the rest make any sense of a cohesive, joined up society almost impossible to achieve. Add to that the people’s weird conflation of innate levels of pathological paranoia towards the west and slavish acceptance of their own state propaganda and you have a nation that I feel is incapable of operating as a liberal, open society.

I think the only hope is if it’s broken up, although of course that will carry inherent risks around military security.

Maybe in those circumstances, any of the constituent parts that would be giving up nuclear weapons coils seek security guarantees from the United States…
 
SPIDERBOY said:
Out of the 30 minerals listed as critical,22 of them are in Ukrainian soil.
A draft agreement has been given to US reps in Munich,who have asked to have till 5pm to decide.
Then Ukraine drop into the matter...

"We are ready to create a mining enterprise in Ukraine,together with the EU"

Slava Ukraini.
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i wouldn't be surprised if the orange one will fire his whole administration in the next couple of weeks and blame them for this mess ;)
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Listening to a couple of Ukranian MPs yesterday, the sense I got was they'd rather continue fighting an even more difficult war than capitulate under Trumps stated terms.
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I think Trump's 'solution' is based on saving Uncle Sam's tax dollar than any other reason, hence the statement that Europe has to cough up its tax euros 'n pounds to plug the gap!
 
Today marks two years since my daughter Alice was kidnapped from me and taken to the occupied territories. Two years without news of her or direct contact. It seems like it will never be possible to learn to live with or come to terms with this. Only struggle can save. And justice will come. Not now, but in years.

 
BlueAnorak said:
Furious back peddling by Trump and Hesgarth yesterday evening.
The damage is done I think.
No one will trust the US ever again.
And that is very sad.
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For a man that pitches himself as a master of the deal, as Trump loves to do, it seems an odd negotiating tactic to give away nearly everything the other side wants before the discussions have even started.
 
Starmer saying the right things.

The prime minister began by reiterating the UK’s concrete support for Ukraine, for as long as it’s needed.

He was unequivocal that there could be no talks about Ukraine, without Ukraine.

Ukraine needed strong security guarantees, further lethal aid and a sovereign future, and it could count on the UK to step up, he added.

The prime minister reiterated the UK’s commitment to Ukraine being on an irreversible path to Nato, as agreed by allies at the Washington Summit last year.
 
Gremlin said:
For a man that pitches himself as a master of the deal, as Trump loves to do, it seems an odd negotiating tactic to give away nearly everything the other side wants before the discussions have even started.
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Russia isn't the other side. Ukraine and Europe (including us) are.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s absolutely relevant to this thread given current developments, and certainly more so than the relative combustibility of different types of cars!
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Starmer has rightly come under fire since the election , however I like the correspondence he is putting out regarding Ukraine . This is also an opportunity to build bridges with the EU both economically and more importantly from a military perspective.
 
Today, Trump and the US are not ready to talk about Ukraine joining NATO, they believe that Ukraine cannot be in the Alliance, because this is an escalation with Russia, — Zelensky

Slava Ukraini.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Why I just don't see it myself the UK now has freedom of Action hence Starmer today telling Ukraine the UK is concrete in its continued support. We don't have to wait for the rest of Europe to make it's mind up which side it's on.
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That’s absolutely fair comment in respect of tactical moves but the fact we cannot now rely on the States means we are isolated in a way that we wouldn’t otherwise be and means we’re got far less leverage with our European neighbours.
 
CTID1977 said:
kremlin lost first chechen war, couldn't achieve major success during the second one, in 2008 failed to take Georgia. Guess what won them those wars? They bought local traitors. That's the only way for midget **** to win in Ukraine
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and of course someone's put into Trump's head that what Ukraine needs now is an election for Putin to try buying.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Why I just don't see it myself the UK now has freedom of Action hence Starmer today telling Ukraine the UK is concrete in its continued support. We don't have to wait for the rest of Europe to make it's mind up which side it's on.
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France and Germany are EU member states

news.sky.com

Ukraine war: European countries back Kyiv as Trump says peace negotiations with Russia to start 'immediately'

European countries including the UK, France and Germany say Ukraine deserves a "just and lasting peace" and that it is "a necessary condition for a strong transatlantic security."
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
i kne albert davy said:
Why I just don't see it myself the UK now has freedom of Action hence Starmer today telling Ukraine the UK is concrete in its continued support. We don't have to wait for the rest of Europe to make it's mind up which side it's on.
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the EU has nothing to do with what Member countries do on this front. the EU can provide support and Member states can provide there own support too.
 
grunge said:
the EU has nothing to do with what Member countries do on this front. the EU can provide support and Member states can provide there own support too.
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Do they all agree though very strange if they don’t have a united front, all I said was we don’t have to wait for anybody.
 
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