PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Boris Yeltsin]

It's easier on here than it's ever been. Maybe because we've been shite people are just a bit touchier

Sport fishing. I like it.

 

[oldius]

Iirc it's a bit of a non story this year, SCR was going to replace PSR but they voted not to do that and to keep SCR as a non binding measure for another season

The relationship between City and the PL is highly acronymious.

 

[Damanino]

I can imagine Villa maybe having issues around Uefa FFP or whatever its called these days.
Villa spent immense amount of their revenues on salaries last season.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

The Watford cup final was clearly when a certain group of hacks went into overdrive, wouldn’t be at all surprised if they’d all had the same brief from one of our enemies
Iirc it was in the press conference after the final the lowlife (edit) Rob Harris asked Pep, without any substance or evidence, if he was taking money off the books?

The moment they realised Pep was better than baconface shitpants.

 

[Micky Blue]

I can imagine Villa maybe having issues around Uefa FFP or whatever its called these days.
Villa spent immense amount of their revenues on salaries last season.

Just shows how farcical it is though it all is though.
If they dont spend the money they’re just also-rans stuck in mid table making up the numbers.

 

[CC1]

It's easier on here than it's ever been. Maybe because we've been shite people are just a bit touchier

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

I don’t see how you can suggest the allegations are the same as CAS plus some other things and then say they are not serious. City themselves said they were “very serious”. The word “serious” appears TWENTY FIVE times in the CAS decision.

And I am certain the disclosure in the PL case is far beyond CAS which was extremely limited on any basis and insufficient to prove the alleged fraudulent conspiracy. Again, we don’t need to speculate - these are City’s words.

BTW I am not suggesting every aspect of the PLs behaviour is “entirely rational”. On the contrary, I’ve criticised lots of aspects even from the limited amount we know. But I think it is very dangerous to underestimate the other side when it is manned with some of the best quality lawyers in the country who would simply not pursue a hopeless case.

Fortunately, it is crystal clear, City have taken the whole matter very seriously hiring a huge squad of high quality specialists with a money no object approach.

Personally, I accept on the face of the emails, there has been a case to answer (ignoring the debate about whether it’s fair/legal for the PL to go after a case essentially the same as CAS, if they have)

I’ve been burned in litigation too many times to take anything for granted, to be too confident or to underestimate opponents even where I think they are totally wrong on something.

"The criminally obtained documents provide no proper factual basis..."

Seems quite clear to me.

 

[Boris Yeltsin]

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

 

[Stoned Rose]

The relationship between City and the PL is highly acronymious.

Very clever.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Just shows how farcical it is though it all is though.
If they dont spend the money they’re just also-rans stuck in mid table making up the numbers.

I think that is the intent.

 

[Keeper!]

I've had two news stories today telling me we're getting a two year transfer ban, which given our current squad would be worse than relegation and this one.......looks like we're fucked as I'm sure Football365 is quite reputable......

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If you dig a little deeper in this "article" you will find the author is also part of the Arsenal Media set up.

Probably AKA TOPHAT

 

[Chris in London]

If the PL were taking their own charges seriously surely they would have reported them to the Serious Fraud Office. That's what happens with allegations of corporate fraud.

Please see the FAQ thread

 

[Tevez City]

I've had two news stories today telling me we're getting a two year transfer ban, which given our current squad would be worse than relegation and this one.......looks like we're fucked as I'm sure Football365 is quite reputable......

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100 point deduction take us to which league ?


The good side of it will be low pressure football for few years, that will be great for our health.

 

[mcfcphil]

The Watford cup final was clearly when a certain group of hacks went into overdrive, wouldn’t be at all surprised if they’d all had the same brief from one of our enemies
Iirc it was in the press conference after the final the lowlife (edit) Rob Harris asked Pep, without any substance or evidence, if he was taking money off the books?

How he wasn’t banned from the club permanently after that is incredible

 

[slbsn]

"The criminally obtained documents provide no proper factual basis..."

Seems quite clear to me.

The criminally obtained docs were the 6 or so at CAS. And they didn’t provide the factual basis.

But the point is that the PL have many more docs and they are not criminally obtained. Anyway not really what the post was about.

 

[halfcenturyup]

"The criminally obtained documents provide no proper factual basis..."

Seems quite clear to me.

"Criminally obtained documents" was the club's terminology iirc, so you are probably looking at the club's position, not that of CAS.

 

[iwasthere1968]

I'm seeing more and more of " they have more documents" , is this based upon their requests ( which we originally refused)?
Or is it factually known that they are contesting specifics?
The sheer mass of invoices , journals , P.Os , ledgers , etc over 10 years (?) , would be daunting to trail through particularly if they're on a fishing trip. .

 

[Marvin.]

I'm seeing more and more of " they have more documents" , is this based upon their requests ( which we originally refused)?
Or is it factually known that they are contesting specifics?
The sheer mass of invoices , journals , P.Os , ledgers , etc over 10 years (?) , would be daunting to trail through particularly if they're on a fishing trip. .

They can request all the documents they like and forensically examine them with their legal teams but 'they' have already had one legal go at the main sponsor and failed. They have failed in the APT case too, at least so far. You could argue that the APT case has not resulted in any material awards yet and may not do so but the image now is that the PL is inept and it's rulebook has been unfairly written and administered. Arsenal and Liverpool have been financed by their owners and at the same time City are pilloried for alleged owner-related sponsorship agreements. You could not make it up. This looks vindictive because it is vindictive.

 

[terraloon]

I'm seeing more and more of " they have more documents" , is this based upon their requests ( which we originally refused)?
Or is it factually known that they are contesting specifics?
The sheer mass of invoices , journals , P.Os , ledgers , etc over 10 years (?) , would be daunting to trail through particularly if they're on a fishing trip.

Having worked on HMRC investigations I can tell you it’s quite amazing just how much of the “groundwork “ is very low level clerical work.

Most of the guidance to those clerical staff would be directed by some very smart people who some are engaged in forensic accounting indeed if you go back to the UEFA / CAS case you will get a flavour of the sort of work these people are skilled to do & whilst not exclusive the sort of issues and challenges that will have been faced by the PL are not that different to those faced by many other organisations carrying out investigations.

As I pointed out some while ago it’s not the stuff that is written down that causes the problems it’s the stuff that’s not that creates the real issues from an investigator’s point of view

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

If you dig a little deeper in this "article" you will find the author is also part of the Arsenal Media set up.

Probably AKA TOPHAT

If you dig even deeper you can see the writer is a freelance who works for Arsenal TV and his one man firm has net assets of £15 according to Companies House. The web is full of these sort of clowns.