PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[KS55]

I don’t see how you can suggest the allegations are the same as CAS plus some other things and then say they are not serious. City themselves said they were “very serious”. The word “serious” appears TWENTY FIVE times in the CAS decision.

And I am certain the disclosure in the PL case is far beyond CAS which was extremely limited on any basis and insufficient to prove the alleged fraudulent conspiracy. Again, we don’t need to speculate - these are City’s words.

BTW I am not suggesting every aspect of the PLs behaviour is “entirely rational”. On the contrary, I’ve criticised lots of aspects even from the limited amount we know. But I think it is very dangerous to underestimate the other side when it is manned with some of the best quality lawyers in the country who would simply not pursue a hopeless case.

Fortunately, it is crystal clear, City have taken the whole matter very seriously hiring a huge squad of high quality specialists with a money no object approach.

Personally, I accept on the face of the emails, there has been a case to answer (ignoring the debate about whether it’s fair/legal for the PL to go after a case essentially the same as CAS, if they have)

I’ve been burned in litigation too many times to take anything for granted, to be too confident or to underestimate opponents even where I think they are totally wrong on something.

If you’ve been burned that much, you must be lousy at your job.
(Sorry Stefan, couldn’t resist.)

 

[Shirley]

I know that really ;) !
Old Trafford must be getting close to not meeting the statium standards for the pl. It already fails on not having a big screen.

Coincidentally the other cheek of this arse doesn’t have a big screen also…

 

[homerdog]

the requirements of disclosure under both the PL rules and English law are for parties to disclose relevant documents regardless of whether they support the defence or the allegations.

In what circumstances does the defendant have to do this, does this just apply to civil cases? As far as I know, this is not the case in criminal prosecutions.

 

[Marvin.]

The SFO may or may not be monitoring. But right now it tells us nothing because we don’t know.

But we do know who we are dealing with i.e., the conduct and behaviour of Liverpool and Man Utd and their friends in the media who will ask questions of City, but appear to never ever scrutinise the Premier League, Liverpool, and Man Utd.

I refer to the ESL and also the way in which the UEFA enquiry was conducted, the leaks and lobbying.

 

[slbsn]

If you’ve been burned that much, you must be lousy at your job.
(Sorry Stefan, couldn’t resist.)

That maybe so! But the same quality of lawyers that surround and advise City, advised/advocated at/for my company. None of this is exact science

 

[KS55]

That maybe so! But the same quality of lawyers that surround and advise City, advised/advocated at/for my company. None of this is exact science

It’s axiomatic that 50% of litigants lose.

 

[slbsn]

In what circumstances does the defendant have to do this, does this just apply to civil cases? As far as I know, this is not the case in criminal prosecutions.

This is a civil case

 

[homerdog]

Yes, I realise that, hence my question. I guess this might be the relevant legislation, that is also adopted by the PL rules:
PART 31 – DISCLOSURE AND INSPECTION OF DOCUMENTS – Civil Procedure Rules

 

[slbsn]

Yes, the CPR at the relevant time will have governed disclosure. They are not formally incorporated but the PL has wide requirements on disclosure and is also in accordance with English law.

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Something on the radio about Villa going to fail Squad Cost Ratio for their champions league squad.
SCR What is this?
Another new requirement?

 

[krisblue]

Something on the radio about Villa going to fail Squad Cost Ratio for their champions league squad.
SCR What is this?
Another new requirement?

Iirc it's a bit of a non story this year, SCR was going to replace PSR but they voted not to do that and to keep SCR as a non binding measure for another season

 

[Boris Yeltsin]

It's easier on here than it's ever been. Maybe because we've been shite people are just a bit touchier

Sport fishing. I like it.

 

[oldius]

Iirc it's a bit of a non story this year, SCR was going to replace PSR but they voted not to do that and to keep SCR as a non binding measure for another season

The relationship between City and the PL is highly acronymious.

 

[Damanino]

I can imagine Villa maybe having issues around Uefa FFP or whatever its called these days.
Villa spent immense amount of their revenues on salaries last season.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

The Watford cup final was clearly when a certain group of hacks went into overdrive, wouldn’t be at all surprised if they’d all had the same brief from one of our enemies
Iirc it was in the press conference after the final the lowlife (edit) Rob Harris asked Pep, without any substance or evidence, if he was taking money off the books?

The moment they realised Pep was better than baconface shitpants.

 

[Micky Blue]

I can imagine Villa maybe having issues around Uefa FFP or whatever its called these days.
Villa spent immense amount of their revenues on salaries last season.

Just shows how farcical it is though it all is though.
If they dont spend the money they’re just also-rans stuck in mid table making up the numbers.

 

[CC1]

It's easier on here than it's ever been. Maybe because we've been shite people are just a bit touchier

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

 

[SatOnTheWall]

I don’t see how you can suggest the allegations are the same as CAS plus some other things and then say they are not serious. City themselves said they were “very serious”. The word “serious” appears TWENTY FIVE times in the CAS decision.

And I am certain the disclosure in the PL case is far beyond CAS which was extremely limited on any basis and insufficient to prove the alleged fraudulent conspiracy. Again, we don’t need to speculate - these are City’s words.

BTW I am not suggesting every aspect of the PLs behaviour is “entirely rational”. On the contrary, I’ve criticised lots of aspects even from the limited amount we know. But I think it is very dangerous to underestimate the other side when it is manned with some of the best quality lawyers in the country who would simply not pursue a hopeless case.

Fortunately, it is crystal clear, City have taken the whole matter very seriously hiring a huge squad of high quality specialists with a money no object approach.

Personally, I accept on the face of the emails, there has been a case to answer (ignoring the debate about whether it’s fair/legal for the PL to go after a case essentially the same as CAS, if they have)

I’ve been burned in litigation too many times to take anything for granted, to be too confident or to underestimate opponents even where I think they are totally wrong on something.

"The criminally obtained documents provide no proper factual basis..."

Seems quite clear to me.

 

[Boris Yeltsin]

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

God. You must be bored (boring) if your sole aim is to “catch” people who are genuinely engaging in team discussions

Well done you. Let’s all put you on ignore if you’re just out to mock people.

 

[Stoned Rose]

The relationship between City and the PL is highly acronymious.

Very clever.