PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

Fordham was designed to get revenue in, not hide expenses. Also UEFA were aware of it and discussed it with us in 2015, with no charges following. That was well before the Der Spiegel articles and not long after our FFP settlement agreement.

I've always thought that the key issue with it was whether we declared the image rights payments in our FFP submission but even if we didn't the amounts aren't likely to be material, probably around the £12-13m mark per annum.

It was certainly designed to get revenue in, but we don't know the details at all, do we?

I rather think the question is how Fordham was reimbursed for their losses and whether those reimbursements should have been / were included in the club's expenses? If you can put my mind to rest on that issue, then I would be more confident.

(Yes, I know it's only around 12 million a year, but over the five years, was it?, that's 60 million. Not enough to affect the true and fair view of the accounts as a serious issue, but enough to be embarrassing to the club if the expenses were found to be "hidden").

 

[horlock_was_super]

Look Sam Lee has a 50/50 chance with what he has said simple as that it’s not rocket science..

True except he’s paid to lie for a living remember.

So by his fetid scribblings he’s got a 50/65 chance of being correct.

See - being a clueless, lying cnut is real easy - only thing is I don’t get paid or get free food from City. ( I spent the £10 on alcohol)

 

[halfcenturyup]

So by his fetid scribblings he’s got a 50/65 chance of being correct.

Very clever :)

 

[Cobwebcat]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

 

[slbsn]

These are the grounds for an appeal:

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So City can appeal the decision. I am struggling to see how the PL could appeal a liability decision, though. The panel hasn't dismissed the complaint, they won't have decided on a sanction and there is no interim applications involved.

Maybe this is an indication no appeals will be allowed until after a sanction hearing, if one is needed? It's hard to imagine an appeal panel being created to reconsider liability, after which this panel is reconstituted to consider sanctions / costs.

Clear as mud as always.

“Dismissal” here means finding City not liable of a breach. So the primary basis for an appeal. The question of appeal will likely depend on the factual findings and what is left open for questioning by an appeal in terms of the application of law.

 

[Centurions]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

If there was a dislike button you'd have just gotten one from me.

;)

 

[mancboy]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

It doesnt matter either way in the grand scheme of things, of course both sides will be confident, it would be madness for the pl to go all this way in the case at a cost of millions if they werent confident and it would be equally as mad for city to defend it so vociferously if they werent confident, and both sides have to project that confidence, as i said before the pl were confident with the apt thing and just this sunday the rags were confident that they are on the right track to win the pl, expressing confidence verbally doesnt equate to actually having confidence.

Citys actions in recent times have shown a level of confidence but the pls actions in multiple instances where they expressed confidence that was ultimately misplaced i.e with the leicester case and the apt case shows that them indicating confidence doesnt really mean an awful lot.

 

[Stoned Rose]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

That’s just him being a wumming little ****.

He should be ignored every single time he opens his mouth.

 

[Centurions]

It was certainly designed to get revenue in, but we don't know the details at all, do we?

I rather think the question is how Fordham was reimbursed for their losses and whether those reimbursements should have been / were included in the club's expenses? If you can put my mind to rest on that issue, then I would be more confident.

(Yes, I know it's only around 12 million a year, but over the five years, was it?, that's 60 million. Not enough to affect the true and fair view of the accounts as a serious issue, but enough to be embarrassing to the club if the expenses were found to be "hidden").

Didn't UEFA consider Fordham to be against the "spirit of the rules" rather than breaking them, if I remember correctly a lot of (all?) clubs were trying similar workarounds.

There's no way that we did as requested by UEFA and shut it down but then tried to hide any payments related to it. To be honest that question comes across as paranoid schizophrenia at best.

 

[Roachy]

That’s just him being a wumming little ****.

He should be ignored every single time he opens his mouth.

He sounds like the archetypal shit stirrer.

 

[cheekybids]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

Many people say Sam Lee is a **** whatever he says.

 

[Goatmeal]

I get really angry about this case. The best run club in the league because of investment.
Is that not how business supposed to run?
Who are these rules protecting mr masters?
Were it not supposed to be to prevent clubs going out of business? Well city are nowhere near that. So are you trying to punish city for being too successful?
It really is completely obvious what is going on here. Even most of the media know, but they report it differently.
City should be put up there as an example of how to run a business and support the local community. Not have shit thrown at them from a cartel puppet

 

[blueparrot]

Ingrained hatred of Sam Lee. If he is ever mentioned in the transfer forum it's always 'I wouldn’t trust Sam Lee to blah blah blah'

It's funny when I first started in here it was all Sam Lee was the one to listen too wait and see what Sam is saying. Then all of a sudden a big turnaround to Sam Lee KFA, don't know what he did to upset posters. Truth is neither are or were true, just something in betwe
en.Somethings he says will turn out right, some will turn out wrong. Don't know what all the fuss is about.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

It's funny when I first started in here it was all Sam Lee was the one to listen too wait and see what Sam is saying. Then all of a sudden a big turnaround to Sam Lee KFA, don't know what he did to upset posters. Truth is neither are or were true, just something in betwe
en.Somethings he says will turn out right, some will turn out wrong. Don't know what all the fuss is about.

Same here, its like a hate train take over.

He was quite involved with City and Pep, he seemed to have a direct line to Pep and I remember Pep acknowldghing him a few times. But (I think) he went to the Athletic, they, after all their promises not to, ended up being another tribalism linked, shit for clicks publication, they targeted City, Sam Lee was City correspondent, we hated him.

I dont mind him, he has gone down in my estimation but people need to earn somehow, he's got more respect from me because he doesnt talk as much shit as other reporters and tbh his news is somewhat reliable but sometimes not so..

 

[Goater101]

Action speaks louder than words. If city was feeding out noise that they’re confident but was holding back on the stadium expansion, transfers etc I’d be shitting it. They’ve done the exact opposite so I’m pretty calm tbh

 

[eastmanc]

When Sam Lee says City are very confident most posters saw it as a positive sign.

Now he says the PL are also confident, he is a liar.

Could it just be we like positive speculation and dislike negative speculation?

Saying they are confident could just be a way of covering their arses after spending £50 million of the Premier Leagues money on the case . They really can't say anything else can they. Mind you neither can we.

 

[foggy1974]

It's funny when I first started in here it was all Sam Lee was the one to listen too wait and see what Sam is saying. Then all of a sudden a big turnaround to Sam Lee KFA, don't know what he did to upset posters. Truth is neither are or were true, just something in betwe
en.Somethings he says will turn out right, some will turn out wrong. Don't know what all the fuss is about.

I think a lot of it stems from around the Uefa ban where he was predicting doomsday scenario for clickbait. He then saw his arse on twitter & blocked loads of City fans on twitter mainly because it became common knowledge he was a rag.

 

[HelloCity]

It's funny when I first started in here it was all Sam Lee was the one to listen too wait and see what Sam is saying. Then all of a sudden a big turnaround to Sam Lee KFA, don't know what he did to upset posters. Truth is neither are or were true, just something in betwe
en.Somethings he says will turn out right, some will turn out wrong. Don't know what all the fuss is about.

He said something on twitter along the lines of “are there any normal City fans on here who accept their club is at least somewhat dodgy?”.

He had an obsession with Pep leaving which has been the case for at least 5 years.

He also aligned himself with this mob:

 

[JPAMCR]

Saying they are confident could just be a way of covering their arses after spending £50 million of the Premier Leagues money on the case . They really can't say anything else can they. Mind you neither can we.

Exactly. Hardly going to tell him they had a fucking nightmare.

 

[domalino]

aligned himself with this mob:

I really can't give a shit about any of this because Sam Lee like every other journalist is just getting steers and nods from people around the club and PL, so we already know he knows nothing, just like everyone else.

Having said that I genuinely can't imagine being so childish you (1) Think having a conversation with 3 anti-City journalists about their point of view means you're an anti-city journalist and (2) Keep a screenshot of it for 5 years to whip out any time he reports something you don't like.

He had an obsession with Pep leaving which has been the case for at least 5 years.

So like every single City fan? There's a reason we get 3,000 page threads every time Pep's contract runs down.



I wish people would just admit they hate him because they found out he grew up a United fan. The mood towards him changed overnight on here when he said that on Ahsan's podcast. Meanwhile everyone outside the City fanbase thinks he's a City mouthpiece that can't be relied on to do anything other than spout the club's line.

If you don't like him don't read his stuff, but don't pretend he's part of some anti-city cabal.