PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
Excellent as ever Chris.

Two comments from me:

1. The UEFA offer of a settlement was more than a rumour. I've posted on here before that the City Matters group at the time were told this directly by Omar Berrada. He said that Ceferin had offered us a fine if we pleaded guilty to what he described as "a technical accounting breach". I'm wondering now if that involved our "failure" to declare Etihad etc. as related parties. Omar was usually a very quiet, understated man but I felt the anger and passion in him when he was telling us that. The club clearly thought it was an insult and a way for UEFA to save face, having dragged our name through the mud. I believe the story that the PL offered us a deal, but I didn't hear that first hand. Of course we know what happened with UEFA's case following our appeal to CAS.

2. If the PL deal story is true, the both them and UEFA offered these while the respective cases were being considered by supposedly independent bodies, being UEFA's CFCB and the PL's Independent Commission. Masters made great play of the fact that the issue was out of his hands so it does beg the question of how truly independent these bodies truly are. Could UEFA/PL go back to these "independent bodies" and tell them what the agreed outcome is?

My suspicion is that, City having refused a deal, UEFA said to Leterme as head of the CFCB's Adjudicatory Chamber "throw the book at them", which he duly did. As we saw with Dr Haas, the UEFA appointee at CAS, he who pays the piper calls the tune.
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Thanks PB.

I use the word “rumour” about the Ceferin offer largely because it has never been confirmed either by the club or UEFA that the offer was made. I hadn’t actually heard the story that the PL offered us a deal but wouldn’t at all be surprised if they had.

I don’t think BTW there’s anything in a deal being offered that is in any way underhand or undermining of the tribunal’s independence. The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The allegation we have breached the rules is therefore an allegation we have breached the contract. If the two parties to a contract agree (a) on the fact of a breach and (b) what the consequences should be, the tribunal’s work is done before it even starts.

As I say, I find it interesting that despite there being a number of good reasons for both parties to do a deal if City were in serious jeopardy, it simply hasn’t happened.

Why?

Maybe we will find out tomorrow!
 
Chris in London said:
Thanks PB.

I use the word “rumour” about the Ceferin offer largely because it has never been confirmed either by the club or UEFA that the offer was made. I hadn’t actually heard the story that the PL offered us a deal but wouldn’t at all be surprised if they had.

I don’t think BTW there’s anything in a deal being offered that is in any way underhand or undermining of the tribunal’s independence. The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The allegation we have breached the rules is therefore an allegation we have breached the contract. If the two parties to a contract agree (a) on the fact of a breach and (b) what the consequences should be, the tribunal’s work is done before it even starts.

As I say, I find it interesting that despite there being a number of good reasons for both parties to do a deal if City were in serious jeopardy, it simply hasn’t happened.

Why?

Maybe we will find out tomorrow!
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Finally to crack this open?


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Nephin Man said:
If true, quite rightly. UEFA had shown they couldn't be trusted after City had previously taken the pinch in the understanding it was a compromise, only for UEFA to then co-opt it is admission of guilt.
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City have been consistent. Khaldoon said we were innocent. He is not a bluffer. UEFA and the PL acted in bad faith from day one. The PL have been corrupted by a small clique of clubs. It has been an organised and clear smear campaign. I am still surprised when people are surprised by naked corruption, even when it is staring them in the face. Virtually no one believed that the Post Office masters had been framed.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
City have been consistent. Khaldoon said we were innocent. He is not a bluffer. UEFA and the PL acted in bad faith from day one. The PL have been corrupted by a small clique of clubs. It has been an organised and clear smear campaign. I am still surprised when people are surprised by naked corruption, even when it is staring them in the face. Virtually no one believed that the Post Office masters had been framed.
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Yep, he knows his onions. To co-opt a turn of phrase from another poster - Gordon Tubster? - 'posh' corruption is perfectly legitimate.
 
Chris in London said:
Thanks PB.

I use the word “rumour” about the Ceferin offer largely because it has never been confirmed either by the club or UEFA that the offer was made. I hadn’t actually heard the story that the PL offered us a deal but wouldn’t at all be surprised if they had.

I don’t think BTW there’s anything in a deal being offered that is in any way underhand or undermining of the tribunal’s independence. The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The allegation we have breached the rules is therefore an allegation we have breached the contract. If the two parties to a contract agree (a) on the fact of a breach and (b) what the consequences should be, the tribunal’s work is done before it even starts.

As I say, I find it interesting that despite there being a number of good reasons for both parties to do a deal if City were in serious jeopardy, it simply hasn’t happened.

Why?

Maybe we will find out tomorrow!
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Tomorrow, you say. A prediction, yes :)
 
Chris in London said:
Thanks PB.

I use the word “rumour” about the Ceferin offer largely because it has never been confirmed either by the club or UEFA that the offer was made. I hadn’t actually heard the story that the PL offered us a deal but wouldn’t at all be surprised if they had.

I don’t think BTW there’s anything in a deal being offered that is in any way underhand or undermining of the tribunal’s independence. The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The allegation we have breached the rules is therefore an allegation we have breached the contract. If the two parties to a contract agree (a) on the fact of a breach and (b) what the consequences should be, the tribunal’s work is done before it even starts.

As I say, I find it interesting that despite there being a number of good reasons for both parties to do a deal if City were in serious jeopardy, it simply hasn’t happened.

Why?

Maybe we will find out tomorrow!
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Tomorrow...!!??

What have I missed...?
 
Jesus H Gabz said:
As I said in the atmosphere thread, that PL jingle pre game was blasted out (from where I was in the NS) to the point were people were looking at one another, biggest clutch of straws ever but I reckon there’s something in it
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Yeh I noticed that. It was very strange. Why do that?
 
The real story here should be how the rags can get away with that amount of debt and the scouse circumvent the rules by pretending to build a stadium and we get dragged through the mud.

It's all vindictive surely and the smoking gun held by the red club cartel?
 
Chris in London said:
Thanks PB.

I use the word “rumour” about the Ceferin offer largely because it has never been confirmed either by the club or UEFA that the offer was made. I hadn’t actually heard the story that the PL offered us a deal but wouldn’t at all be surprised if they had.

I don’t think BTW there’s anything in a deal being offered that is in any way underhand or undermining of the tribunal’s independence. The relationship between City and the PL is essentially contractual. The allegation we have breached the rules is therefore an allegation we have breached the contract. If the two parties to a contract agree (a) on the fact of a breach and (b) what the consequences should be, the tribunal’s work is done before it even starts.

As I say, I find it interesting that despite there being a number of good reasons for both parties to do a deal if City were in serious jeopardy, it simply hasn’t happened.

Why?

Maybe we will find out tomorrow!
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The real window for a PL settlement was before the charge - once charged, the situation became much more challenging and, in many ways, the PL boxed themselves in when they went big on the 115 headline.

The PL appears to have learnt this lesson with the Chelsea off book case (apparently looking to settle that for a financial only penalty despite the seriousness and admissions).

Either way, I agree there is nothing untoward or contradictory about a complainant and the complainee settling a matter even with an IC in place save for the fact that the IC clearly now would have to sign off any settlement/sanction agreement. Masters can be correct that the matter is in the hands of an IC but still seek to settle the matter as the complainant. The point he was making was that the PL is not the IC which is correct.

Post hearing settlement in this case is far more unlikely than in a commercial environment where the judgment effectively gets ripped up and is never thought about again. Here, the PL rules demand the IC approve the severity/leniency of the agreement and that the Sanction Agreement is published with the relevant factual matrix. I can't see how this is possible unless the PL had dropped all its substantive (ex cooperation) charges which is unlikely.
 
mexico1970 said:
The real story here should be how the rags can get away with that amount of debt and the scouse circumvent the rules by pretending to build a stadium and we get dragged through the mud.

It's all vindictive surely and the smoking gun held by the red club cartel?
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It's laughable that it stares everyone in the face except the media, the Premier League and the red cartel clubs.
 
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