North Stand Construction Discussion

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Carl Brierley - Programme Director at Sisk has kindly tweaked my notes that I wrote down during the presentation to make them clearer.

Thank you Carl. :-)

  1. To manage the build SISK have split the Project into 3 key sections 1. NS Extension 2. Hotel 3. Commercial
  2. As the site was historically a mining area we undertook ground improvements that included grout injecting, this had previously been undertaken for the original stadium build and is a standard practice for ground improvement.
  3. The roof to City Square is formed using an ETFE roof membrane covering large span steel trusses.
  4. All the yellow items of steel that are visible on the North Stand are temporary works support steel that will be removed as part of the build programme.
  5. SISK have circa. 100 staff managing the Project, covering a range of different roles that are required on a large construction project.
  6. There are a number of RIBA design stages required on Construction projects in order to develop the design, with several taken before a client engages a contractor under a Design and Build contract.
  7. SISK were engaged to support the client with costing the works prior to commencing on site, this is referred to as a Pre-Construction Services Agreement (PCSA) and is standard practice on most large design and build construction projects.
  8. No fixed end date, project to be complete in 2026 in collaboration with the MCFC construction team
  9. The reason why the first cap (node) was lifted up and put back down was a trial to see if we could undertake more of the plate fixing work at ground level, to minimise working at height. This is standard practice in construction and although generally undertaken using detailed models, sometimes practical reviews are required.
  10. Elements of the work will require 24 hour working and this has always been factored into the construction programme.
  11. When working out the crane install for the rafters the weight and radius determine the length of the rafters to maximise the efficiency of the crane.
  12. Major challenges include the load transfer, this activity was very complex, however it was rigorously planned and executed with no issues.
  13. The biggest challenge remaining is around the logistical considerations for both the project and the wider campus.
The 10 questions from forum members on Blue Moon and Skyscrapercity - Manchester were put forward to the club. The club said the latest construction updates can be found here. :-/ https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/progress-update-on-the-etihad-stadium-development-63873076
 
So, the mystery is solved.

  1. The reason why the first cap (node) was lifted up and put back down was a trial to see if we could undertake more of the plate fixing work at ground level, to minimise working at height. This is standard practice in construction and although generally undertaken using detailed models, sometimes practical reviews are required.
 
DiscoSteve said:
some ballsy flying through the cranes this morning by ssskies - as he said in the video no-one was around so safe to do it, but still gave me heebie jeebies - also, anyone got any thoughts on those spikes on the top of the back of the new stand - can't just be to keep the pidgeons off! ;-)
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Thanks DiscoSteve I couldt resist going over to see it close up, I know our zooms are amazing but wanted to get in close and show a different perspective.
 
jrb said:
Carl Brierley - Programme Director at Sisk has kindly tweaked my notes that I wrote down during the presentation to make them clearer.

Thank you Carl. :-)

  1. To manage the build SISK have split the Project into 3 key sections 1. NS Extension 2. Hotel 3. Commercial
  2. As the site was historically a mining area we undertook ground improvements that included grout injecting, this had previously been undertaken for the original stadium build and is a standard practice for ground improvement.
  3. The roof to City Square is formed using an ETFE roof membrane covering large span steel trusses.
  4. All the yellow items of steel that are visible on the North Stand are temporary works support steel that will be removed as part of the build programme.
  5. SISK have circa. 100 staff managing the Project, covering a range of different roles that are required on a large construction project.
  6. There are a number of RIBA design stages required on Construction projects in order to develop the design, with several taken before a client engages a contractor under a Design and Build contract.
  7. SISK were engaged to support the client with costing the works prior to commencing on site, this is referred to as a Pre-Construction Services Agreement (PCSA) and is standard practice on most large design and build construction projects.
  8. No fixed end date, project to be complete in 2026 in collaboration with the MCFC construction team
  9. The reason why the first cap (node) was lifted up and put back down was a trial to see if we could undertake more of the plate fixing work at ground level, to minimise working at height. This is standard practice in construction and although generally undertaken using detailed models, sometimes practical reviews are required.
  10. Elements of the work will require 24 hour working and this has always been factored into the construction programme.
  11. When working out the crane install for the rafters the weight and radius determine the length of the rafters to maximise the efficiency of the crane.
  12. Major challenges include the load transfer, this activity was very complex, however it was rigorously planned and executed with no issues.
  13. The biggest challenge remaining is around the logistical considerations for both the project and the wider campus.
The 10 questions from forum members on Blue Moon and Skyscrapercity - Manchester were put forward to the club. The club said the latest construction updates can be found here. :-/ https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/progress-update-on-the-etihad-stadium-development-63873076
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Pretty pathetic by the club, really confusing how they aren’t all over social media about the positivity of this project, the job creation both in construction phase and the operational. The continued regeneration of the area the investment in local businesses that have been the first choice for supplies, the steel work from a company in Bury There is nothing negative about the project FFS building the biggest hotel in Manchester on what was not long ago derelict brown field land It really is so so disappointing, in total contrast to Sisk yesterday who, couldn’t have been more welcoming and open in sharing with those that attended I came out of it with a totally positive opinion about them.
 
Gordyola said:
Pretty pathetic by the club, really confusing how they aren’t all over social media about the positivity of this project, the job creation both in construction phase and the operational. The continued regeneration of the area the investment in local businesses that have been the first choice for supplies, the steel work from a company in Bury There is nothing negative about the project FFS building the biggest hotel in Manchester on what was not long ago derelict brown field land It really is so so disappointing, in total contrast to Sisk yesterday who, couldn’t have been more welcoming and open in sharing with those that attended I came out of it with a totally positive opinion about them.
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Baffles me why the club can’t promote what they’re doing, I cannot think of one negative
 
Centurions said:
So, the mystery is solved.

  1. The reason why the first cap (node) was lifted up and put back down was a trial to see if we could undertake more of the plate fixing work at ground level, to minimise working at height. This is standard practice in construction and although generally undertaken using detailed models, sometimes practical reviews are required.
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While I did claim this at the time (can't be bothered finding the posts now), somehow, having seen how it played out, I don't fully believe him :).

In part, yeah sure. But the adjustments to the plates probably had a slight touch of oversight as well. But these things do indeed happen and get resolved. On something this complex it really could have happened a lot more.
 
Gordyola said:
Pretty pathetic by the club, really confusing how they aren’t all over social media about the positivity of this project, the job creation both in construction phase and the operational. The continued regeneration of the area the investment in local businesses that have been the first choice for supplies, the steel work from a company in Bury There is nothing negative about the project FFS building the biggest hotel in Manchester on what was not long ago derelict brown field land It really is so so disappointing, in total contrast to Sisk yesterday who, couldn’t have been more welcoming and open in sharing with those that attended I came out of it with a totally positive opinion about them.
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I can confirm this.

Carl and Sisk were brilliant. I found Carl's presentation and Q&A session really interesting and informative.

I learnt so much more about the build, the complexity of the build, and the challenges Sisk have faced during the build, and the solutions Sisk have come up with to overcome those challenges.

Hearing about the history of the site and what lies under the ground pre and post Commonwealth Games stadium was also very informative and interesting.

Hence why I always enjoy going to Open Doors construction events no matter what build is. The construction companies and their staff are always very friendly, informative, passionate about the build, and are always happy to answer any questions.

As for City. That's the way the club works. They won't change. So there's no point in getting annoyed and frustrated about it. Just accept it.

There's enough of us filming and taking pictures to document the construction of the North stand so City fans in the UK and around the World can see the construction progress. :-)
 
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Coatigan said:
While I did claim this at the time (can't be bothered finding the posts now), somehow, having seen how it played out, I don't fully believe him :).

In part, yeah sure. But the adjustments to the plates probably had a slight touch of oversight as well. But these things do indeed happen and get resolved. On something this complex it really could have happened a lot more
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I asked the question as to weight and why the first attempt was abandoned He said the issue was they couldn’t manoeuvre it into position with all the plates fitted, suspecting that was the case they thought it worth the risk as it only delayed things by 24 hours I said about the second one going well which he confirmed was lessons learnt
 
jrb said:
I can confirm this.

Carl and Sisk were brilliant. I found Carl's presentation and Q&A session really interesting and informative.

I learnt so much more about the build, the complexity of the build, and the challenges Sisk have faced during the build, and the solutions Sisk have come up with to overcome those challenges.

Hearing about the history of the site and what lies under the ground pre and post Commonwealth Games stadium was also very informative and interesting.

Hence why I always enjoy going to Open Doors construction events no matter what build is. The construction companies and their staff are always very friendly, informative, passionate about the build, and are always happy to answer any questions.

As for City. That's the way the club works. They won't change. So there's no point in getting annoyed and frustrated about it. Just accept it.

There's enough of us filming and taking pictures to document the construction of the North stand so City fans in the UK and around the World can see the construction progress. :-)
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I agree Jrb. Very, very good work, thank you.
 
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Do the sails stick out further than the lift platforms, looks like this one was installed between the two lift platforms, if they do, how do they install the sails located in line with the platforms
 
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