Adolescence

[dannyboy29]

Massive let down. Watched episode 1 and thought it was off to a good start but all downhill from there, it was just ok but with hype surrounding it last week its a massive disapointment.

I have a 2year old son and do worry about the way society is going for him already.

Couldn't have put it better myself. After episode 1 I thought it was going to be a good watch. 2 3 and 4 are awful regardless of how it was filmed and what the intended message is. Agree with comments on Graham though, great actor.

 

[Blue and true]

I thought it was brilliant. Exceptional acting and the seamless scenes worked well.

Watched with my missus, a primary school teacher, and it resonated deeply with her. She told me kids as young as six are taking phones into her school, which is a sobering and depressing thought.

 

[Blue and true]

It's grim. But a must see.

This incel thing , 80% of women are only interested in 20% of men
If this is true the implications for society are terrifying

It's patently untrue, and if you take a look around you you'll see why. Most adults are in relationships.

Just a bullshit notion propagated by imbeciles like Andrew Tate.

 

[SWP's back]

Awesome series.

 

[Cellarite]

A friend of ours, her 13 year old son asked a girl out at school and she said no and called him fat.

First, he went through a stage of not eating, and then started cutting himself. He's in therapy now.

When I think back to those days when I was 13. If I got KB'd as we used to call it, you would move onto the next one, without much thought at all. Christine turned me down, so I asked Donna out instead. You didn't catastrophize the situation, you scrubbed it out quickly.

Something has changed along the way. There's a real lack of resilience that surprises me. The thought of dealing with rejection by running for a kitchen knife is just bizarre.

Your last paragraph - this is something I've been thinking about and mentioning for months, the lack of resilience.

I see it with someone who I work with, my own kids and others around my life. A lot of moaning and whining. I went to Italy recently with my two sons and brother. I actually found myself giving one of my lads a pep talk before we went saying "You need some resilience. There's going to be times when we're queuing, travelling or waiting. The more you moan, the harder it'll seem to get past it."

I'm not just bashing the younger generation and obviously not all of them. I just feel like life is easier on them in many ways and they expect what they want more than I did as a kid. Life is clearly harder on them in other ways such as social media and fitting into the "ideal" template that is forced down their throats wherever they look.

 

[meltonblue]

Your last paragraph - this is something I've been thinking about and mentioning for months, the lack of resilience.

I see it with someone who I work with, my own kids and others around my life. A lot of moaning and whining. I went to Italy recently with my two sons and brother. I actually found myself giving one of my lads a pep talk before we went saying "You need some resilience. There's going to be times when we're queuing, travelling or waiting. The more you moan, the harder it'll seem to get past it."

I'm not just bashing the younger generation and obviously not all of them. I just feel like life is easier on them in many ways and they expect what they want more than I did as a kid. Life is clearly harder on them in other ways such as social media and fitting into the "ideal" template that is forced down their throats wherever they look.

I’ve got a son and two daughters aged 20,18 and 12. I don’t think life is easier for them in many ways at all, I’d say the opposite.

 

[blueinsa]

Excellent but last episode left too many holes in the story for me.

 

[Bluesince1979]

It's patently untrue, and if you take a look around you you'll see why. Most adults are in relationships.

Just a bullshit notion propagated by imbeciles like Andrew Tate.

There is someone in the world for everyone

Guy that runs my local paper shop, probs in his 30s, little fella, not blessed in the looks department, very shy and quiet.
Other day he was locking up and his mrs came to meet him. Female version of him. They found each other

 

[Kippax Street 1880]

I watched this the other day, which was pretty interesting.



It turns out that a lot of this rhetoric was based on a now deleted blog referencing a study on around 600 people from well before Tinder and Bumble existed. But it’s true that women are far more likely to get matches on Tinder.

That's more due to the apps shadowbanning you unless you pay the monthly fee rather than whatever women are doing.

 

[Cellarite]

I’ve got a son and two daughters aged 20,18 and 12. I don’t think life is easier for them in many ways at all, I’d say the opposite.

The rest of my sentence said "easier in many ways but harder in many other ways".

 

[Bigga]

It's patently untrue, and if you take a look around you you'll see why. Most adults are in relationships.

Just a bullshit notion propagated by imbeciles like Andrew Tate.

This is stupid!

This is like living in a fish bowl with other fish and saying 'Wow! It's so busy in here!'!!

You're not taking into account any other demographics or experiences! Data is always an approximation to work from.

 

[ell]

I thought it was brilliant. Exceptional acting and the seamless scenes worked well.

Watched with my missus, a primary school teacher, and it resonated deeply with her. She told me kids as young as six are taking phones into her school, which is a sobering and depressing thought.

I was told by a primary school teacher she was abused by parents for confiscating a vape

 

[I'm With Stupid]

And can I get your view of what the 'incel' person is as a current description to the general public?

I think 'incel' is a self-selecting group. In theory, it's 'involuntary celibate' but in reality that definition basically includes most young men most of the time, and almost all teenage boys. I still remember throughout my uni days and early 20s going out to nightclubs with me and my friends standing around like losers trying to pluck up the courage to approach a girl and then inevitably getting rejected when we did, because we'd tried to chat up the hottest girl in the club after spending 15 minutes hovering near her. And the few times you did manage to pull, unsurprisingly, it was usually with someone who was about your level, or with someone you already knew well enough for them to like you. That a completely normal formative experience, which is why basically every teen movie is based around it.

'Incel' in the modern sense though combines this with a whole host of additional values and opinions about the reasons for this. And it basically seems to come down to blaming women, feminism, and a wider society that apparently privileges women for their woes. They also seem to view relationships as some sort of transactional business deal.

I remember reading an article written by a guy I kind of knew probably around 15-20 years ago now, long before all of this incel stuff existed, and it was titled 'Why being a nice guy isn't enough.' Basically about how 'nice' is an absolute bear minimum, but some men treat it like it's something women should be falling over themselves for. So this is definitely not a new phenomenon. Nor are these the first people to blame the opposite sex en masse for their woes (plenty of women do this too). But now, 15 years later 'nice guy' is an ironic nickname for men who act nice at first then suddenly turn when she says she's not interested.

 

[117 M34]

There is someone in the world for everyone

Guy that runs my local paper shop, probs in his 30s, little fella, not blessed in the looks department, very shy and quiet.
Other day he was locking up and his mrs came to meet him. Female version of him. They found each other

I remember reading something many years back about a study that showed most people are typically attracted to people of the same level of attractiveness as themselves and I think there is a lot of logic to that - ignoring that every guy is attracted to michelle keegan or similar regardless of their own attractiveness.

 

[Bluesince1979]

I remember reading something many years back about a study that showed most people are typically attracted to people of the same level of attractiveness as themselves and I think there is a lot of logic to that - ignoring that every guy is attracted to michelle keegan or similar regardless of their own attractiveness.

Yeah 100%.
I think most of us know our ‘levels’

 

[BringBackSwales]

I know this belongs in the TV thread but i feel its worthy of its own thread and the bigger meaning for society to deal with the masculinity problem young children are being fed.

It is one the most powerful, heartbreaking TV shows i have ever seen - the acting is beyond anything and the way it's filmed (one continuous) shot is done superbly.

Made me give my kids a big hug this morning. A must watch for everyone, especially parents of young children.

Enjoyed how it was filmed, fair play to everyone for remembering their lines, and to the production team. I found it a very touch watch though

 

[BridgyDids]

Now, I WILL call you dense!!

By virtue of the chat, social media has come up as a subject and blame. I agreed with this direction. What I did not agree with, was the slant that blame came from... which is part of the discussion in the show.

I think this discussion is above your pay grade which I've tried to have with you, fairly.

I have read, and re read this, and I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Perhaps I’m just not in the same ‘pay grade’ as your social media addled brain. I better watch some “Hoe Math” to get myself educated and on your lofty perch.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I remember reading something many years back about a study that showed most people are typically attracted to people of the same level of attractiveness as themselves and I think there is a lot of logic to that - ignoring that every guy is attracted to michelle keegan or similar regardless of their own attractiveness.

I'm not sure that's true. Most of us are attracted to people who reciprocate our attention, and that is naturally going to be people of a similar level of attractiveness. But you don't see fugly footballers shunning model girlfriends in favour of a girl with a face like a slapped arse. If Michelle Keegan is giving you the time of day, you're going for it.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Yeah 100%.
I think most of us know our ‘levels’

Deep down, sure, but these days kids are constantly bombarded with pictures of 'perfect' people. Even the pictures of the girls in their own class are the best 1 out of 100 taken from their most flattering angle, and then filtered to within an inch of their life. Add to that the models on social media, the women in porn, etc. And they are also sold a dream that they can get these kind of girls if only they're like Andrew Tate. In my day (actually a bit after my day really) it was the pickup artists trying to teach you how to manipulate women who are well out of your league into bed. It was bollocks then, and it's bollocks now, but it's a seductive idea, and we all know men who have dated 'out of their league' (usually by being incredibly talented and successful in other ways, but let's ignore that, because that takes effort) so why not me?

 

[117 M34]

I'm not sure that's true. Most of us are attracted to people who reciprocate our attention, and that is naturally going to be people of a similar level of attractiveness. But you don't see fugly footballers shunning model girlfriends in favour of a girl with a face like a slapped arse. If Michelle Keegan is giving you the time of day, you're going for it.

I don't think the study accounted for multi millionaire celebrity sportsmen and women