North Stand Construction Discussion

[Brewster's millions]

Not necessarily. People will want to get food before a gig/show at the arena. People will do tours of the stadium. Staff at the offices and hotel, guests of the hotel, etc. There are plenty about that could use the food outlets outwith match days.

It’s difficult to judge how many outlets they’ll be from the plan posted, and how scalable they’ll be on non-match days and so on.

But at the very least I would think that the rent City charge on these units would be heavily influenced by the expected demand on match days. The club seems quite good at extracting every last penny, so I wouldn’t expect it to be that different with these outlets.

 

[blueparrot]

Not necessarily. People will want to get food before a gig/show at the arena. People will do tours of the stadium. Staff at the offices and hotel, guests of the hotel, etc. There are plenty about that could use the food outlets outwith match days.

I'd expect some sort of Cafe as part of the museum and shop would be open daily, plus there will be something in the hotel open to the public, probably a restaurant and a coffee shop. Wasn't there also supposed to be seating and food outlets by the arena /canal?

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

I hate appearing on them, do it occasionally but not very often. I don’t even like doing the commentary, if I watch it back I always have the sound down

I think you have the advantage of people feeding you info on points you admit you don't know about. Mr Drone would have been much better if he'd kept his comments objective and did a bit of research first, but who am I to criticise?

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

Is that core within the tripod a temporary holding piece?

Anything yellow is temporary until the cables are installed to support the new roof

 

[Bournemouth Blue]

I think the long term plan is for more entertainment venues around the collar, that would certainly encourage more people to visit on non-match days and non-gig evenings at the Arena

 

[Coatigan]

It’s difficult to judge how many outlets they’ll be from the plan posted, and how scalable they’ll be on non-match days and so on.

But at the very least I would think that the rent City charge on these units would be heavily influenced by the expected demand on match days. The club seems quite good at extracting every last penny, so I wouldn’t expect it to be that different with these outlets.

If it helps the sense of scale - around 2000m2 of net space (excluding toilets etc) has been approved, as food and beverage outlets independent of the stand/ concourses.

Unit 1+2 is approx 800m2. Units 3 & 4 are roughly 280-300m2 each. And then on the upper floor the hotel restaurant is about 550m2.

For comparison to relatable things, an average wagamama or nandos you get in shopping districts, is around 300m2. An average sizable whetherspoons you can expect being around 500m2, although they vary vastly as they often go into various old buildings, the biggest one I think is around 1000m2.

So we are talking about 4 or 5 whethersoons/wagamama sized units depending on if or how they split the largest one, and if the hotel restaurant is part of the offering to the wider public, although it is described as an 'all-day restaurant' so wouldn't expect it to be a breakfast only offering.

Interestingly, the large units facing the square are noted as 'shell and core only', (which means that anyone occupying them would do their own layout and separate approvals for that as an independent party), while the other two are partial fit-outs, suggesting they already have an end user in mind. It does say that final interior design and F&B provision will be agreed with MCFC.

All that is outside the stand, which has its own substsntial food and bar offerings within the concourses.

 

[jazzy]

Wednesday before Leicester game

 

[spiny]

Not necessarily. People will want to get food before a gig/show at the arena. People will do tours of the stadium. Staff at the offices and hotel, guests of the hotel, etc. There are plenty about that could use the food outlets outwith match days.

I could see a food court doing well as a destination eating venue with parking. Outlets could be open to small independant caterers as well as chains or run by City, to provide variety.

There are many examples, especially in the far east located in malls that cater for thousands each day with dozens of outlets/stalls offering good value food and beverages cafeteria style. A central cashier payment system where you buy credits on a card, to purchase from any outlet with the balance repaid at the end or just kept for the next time, speeds up service.

No doubt that City will have done their homework in choosing their options.

 

[Penders1957]

I could see a food court doing well as a destination eating venue with parking. Outlets could be open to small independant caterers as well as chains or run by City, to provide variety.

There are many examples, especially in the far east located in malls that cater for thousands each day with dozens of outlets/stalls offering good value food and beverages cafeteria style. A central cashier payment system where you buy credits on a card, to purchase from any outlet with the balance repaid at the end or just kept for the next time, speeds up service.

No doubt that City will have done their homework in choosing their options.

Nice thought but I don’t see “good value food and beverages “ being high up on the clubs agenda . Still can’t get my head round a 50 ml gin & tonic costing £10+ and peroni at £7 a pint !

 

[eyalluvitt]

Anything yellow is temporary until the cables are installed to support the new roof

Imagine the scrap money the site lads will make when they weigh everything yellow in, two weeks all inclusive to Cancun for everyone

 

[Penders1957]

Nice thought but I don’t see “good value food and beverages “ being high up on the clubs agenda . Still can’t get my head round a 50 ml gin & tonic costing £10+ and peroni at £7 a pint !

But not the far east of Manchester !;-)

 

[warpig]

Imagine the scrap money the site lads will make when they weigh everything yellow in, two weeks all inclusive to Cancun for everyone

Yes all bespoke so no other option but to melt down. I would imagine they wont be leaving it on the roadside kerb for collection by a passing pikey.

 

[spiny]

Nice thought but I don’t see “good value food and beverages “ being high up on the clubs agenda . Still can’t get my head round a 50 ml gin & tonic costing £10+ and peroni at £7 a pint !

Concessions usually pay an inclusive rental for their outlet in a food court and set their own prices. However rental fees can be high, pushing up prices which if too high will not attract sufficient trade to stay in business.

I was flagging it up as a potential option.

 

[JGL07]

Nice thought but I don’t see “good value food and beverages “ being high up on the clubs agenda . Still can’t get my head round a 50 ml gin & tonic costing £10+ and peroni at £7 a pint !

£7 for a pint of Peroni is a bargain compared to Edinburgh prices.

 

[WARBABY]

Yes all bespoke so no other option but to melt down. I would imagine they wont be leaving it on the roadside kerb for collection by a passing pikey.

What's the price of scrap steel these days?

 

[gouldybob]

Do led’s emit heat ?? ( assuming it’s led screens ? )

Apparently they do, the bigger and brighter they are the more heat is produced and weather impacts on them as well. So it looks like there will need to be cooling fans running when they are on.

 

[foggy1974]

What's the price of scrap steel these days?

Are you scruffy Jim ???

 

[Fireplace George]

Umarell - Wikipedia

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[jrb]

 

[Penders1957]

Apparently they do, the bigger and brighter they are the more heat is produced and weather impacts on them as well. So it looks like there will need to be cooling fans running when they are on.

Think that’s why the brackets project well beyond the cladding leaving about 150 mm gap to allow air circulation around the screens , very much doubt any fans will be required , but I may be wrong ;-)