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Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
A lot of the people coming into the uk don’t have jobs though. They are often coming as dependants/ family members.

A huge number are coming to work in low paid jobs, such as Deliveroo drivers. Is that really what we need?

We have lots of talented workers in the tech sector- this deal completely undercuts anyone working in that field or trying to get into it. Yes we need immigration, but this deal doesn’t benefit our workforce.
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Why would we not want low paid jobs filling? Odd comment. Anyone who comes over here to work is welcome in my book and if anything I take my hat off to those poor sods who slave for little pay being delivery drivers, cleaners, shop assistants etc.

I work in the tech and media sector. Already lots of work is outsourced abroad but it’s very rare, in my opinion, for foreign workers to move over and suddenly take someone’s job because they are willing to do it cheaper. The job sector doesn’t work like that in the mid to high level sectors. It might mean certain job sectors become more competitive and it’s harder to find future jobs but a competitive marketplace tends to make for better quality.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Who knew the fascists would misinterpret a paragraph of the trade deal with India and spread bullshit that Punjabi Patel gets a tax break over the poor impoverished gammon?
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Im sorry, is that really called for ? Surely the purpose of the forum is to discuss the potential impact of the changes as regards UK jobs and the wider economy.

As to what I can see after reading what is available, there are 2 parts in relation to physical labour.

One which is a limited number of Indian nationals who for a period of up to 3 yrs will have their NI waived, these will still be subject to the visa rules and minimum salary requirements. There is a reciprocal agreement for British workers in India. Depending on who you believe there may be pressure to relax the visa rules in the future.

The second and more concerning part is around "assurances" regarding digital services in IT, telecoms, engineering, finance and similar. The details of this is unclear but considering the amount of offshoring of work on government contracts that already exists, if this is further expanded and I say if, it will damage the UK services sector.
 
inbetween said:
I still think GP's are the biggest problem in the NHS. From my experience my GP does absolutely nothing other than google a few symptoms and take a stab at treatment. If you have anything more problematic wrong with you then they're really just gatekeepers and getting past that gate is a pain in the arse.

The second problem is GP's don't work full time because they're often working elsewhere or even working as a private GP elsewhere. Only 1 in 3 GP's work full time in their surgery and that's if you're lucky enough to actually see the same GP because I never have.

Bringing them under the NHS might be a start but a GP can earn basically unlimited money doing whatever they want outside of the surgery so are they really going to choose to move to work full time under a rigid NHS band that pays crap? If you went private then there's a good chance that the GP you see will be your local surgery GP moonlighting elsewhere!

It's sort of like NHS dentists. An NHS dentist is equivalent to Kevin De Bruyne choosing to play for Accrington when he/she could play for City instead and earn £300k a week. That's why there are none and NHS appointments are probably a loss maker for many dentists.
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Chic Murray tribute act - Murray's famous sketch of a visit to the doctor

 
bugsyblue said:
Why would we not want low paid jobs filling? Odd comment. Anyone who comes over here to work is welcome in my book and if anything I take my hat off to those poor sods who slave for little pay being delivery drivers, cleaners, shop assistants etc.

I work in the tech and media sector. Already lots of work is outsourced abroad but it’s very rare, in my opinion, for foreign workers to move over and suddenly take someone’s job because they are willing to do it cheaper. The job sector doesn’t work like that in the mid to high level sectors. It might mean certain job sectors become more competitive and it’s harder to find future jobs but a competitive marketplace tends to make for better quality.
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I specifically mentioned Deliveroo drivers. I don’t think they are crucial. I’d rather we paid people a proper wage as well, instead of being addicted to cheap labour and low wages.

As I said huge numbers of people aren’t coming here to work and don’t have jobs lined up. For me it’s the numbers that are completely unsustainable. 600/700+ thousand is too much.

I used to work in the tech sector and could see lots of jobs being outsourced to places like India, as it’s cheaper.

Of course people move here because they can do work cheaper - not sure why your only mentioning mid to high level. It’s happening all the time in the healthcare sector. You call it competitive - I call it an unfair advantage.
 
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bugsyblue said:
Why would we not want low paid jobs filling? Odd comment. Anyone who comes over here to work is welcome in my book and if anything I take my hat off to those poor sods who slave for little pay being delivery drivers, cleaners, shop assistants etc.

I work in the tech and media sector. Already lots of work is outsourced abroad but it’s very rare, in my opinion, for foreign workers to move over and suddenly take someone’s job because they are willing to do it cheaper. The job sector doesn’t work like that in the mid to high level sectors. It might mean certain job sectors become more competitive and it’s harder to find future jobs but a competitive marketplace tends to make for better quality.
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That's as close to a slave owners plantation post as you're ever likely to see on a football forum in 2025.

Master gives me enough for food and a roof over me head so he does.

Is there anything quite like

Yeah let's give em tte shit jobs with shite money that we won't do. Knell.
 
hilts said:
That's as close to a slave owners plantation post as you're ever likely to see on a football forum in 2025.

Master gives me enough for food and a roof over me head so he does.

Is there anything quite like

Yeah let's give em tte shit jobs with shite money that we won't do. Knell.
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So your answer is to what, raise the minimum wage significantly whilst also halting immigration? You’d kill certain businesses. Not saying that is a good or bad thing but it’s total nonsense there’s hoards of Brits unemployed because immigrants are “under cutting” them.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I specifically mentioned Deliveroo drivers. I don’t think they are crucial. I’d rather we paid people a proper wage as well, instead of being addicted to cheap labour and low wages.

As I said huge numbers of people aren’t coming here to work and don’t have jobs lined up. For me it’s the numbers that are completely unsustainable. 600/700+ thousand is too much.

I used to work in the tech sector and could see lots of jobs being outsourced to places like India, as it’s cheaper.

Of course people move here because they can do work cheaper - not sure why your only mentioning mid to high level. It’s happening all the time in the healthcare sector. You call it competitive - I call it an unfair advantage.
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My wife works in the NHS. Most of the Brits get the better paid jobs whilst they have to actively incentive people from other countries to come and work for them because there simply isn’t British people either willing or qualified to work. They continuously struggle to recruit. That’s the truth.
 
bugsyblue said:
So your answer is to what, raise the minimum wage significantly whilst also halting immigration? You’d kill certain businesses. Not saying that is a good or bad thing but it’s total nonsense there’s hoards of Brits unemployed because immigrants are “under cutting” them.
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It sounds like it's a bad thing in your view:-)
 
and there you go - Reid not understanding the details of the deal but pressing ahead because it can't be good because Labour have done it - were it Cleverly sat in that chair she'd be choking on his cock whilst Balls massaged him

 
bugsyblue said:
Why aren’t you answering the question? All you’ve done is name call, sensationalise and try to twist what I’m saying. What’s the point of that? Have an adult conversation.
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bugsyblue said:
So your answer is to what, raise the minimum wage significantly whilst also halting immigration? You’d kill certain businesses. Not saying that is a good or bad thing but it’s total nonsense there’s hoards of Brits unemployed because immigrants are “under cutting” them.
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Which part of that quote that I replied says its a good thing, your view is quite obvious.

The one thing that amuses me about supply and demand is that we are told hey ho that's life the demand is there sunshine unlucky.

Except obviously when business come a cropper and the demand for jobs isn't there, they then create the demand.

The answer to shit jobs with shit pay imho isn't to get others to do it. As you said slaving away for not fucking much hence the reply mentioning slave labour, you actually started it off with your own post.

Ttfn.
 
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