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metalblue said:
fullfact.org

How many people has Labour ‘deported’? – Full Fact

Some politicians and media have referred to the total number of immigration returns as the number of people being “deported”, but most returns aren’t officially counted as “deportations”.
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Hmmm so thats a couple of months worth of immigrants in ten months..... what are they actually doing with them and more importantly. what are they doing with those they don't send back? Because they keep on coming, don't they?
 
hampshireblue said:
More to the point, what would your friends in Reform do? Bearing in mind that it is the norm for the governments of first world nations to remain within the boundaries set by international law-otherwise you join the likes of Putin and Netanyahu.
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Not my friends in Reform.... are you going to answer my question? What is happening to those who land and are mot returned immediately?
 
Vic said:
Whether or not Starmer or some speechwriter was deliberately echoing Enoch Powell, "an island of strangers" is sheer bunkum. I thought it echoed rather Farage saying he couldn't hear anyone speaking English on a train. As if any proper Englishman in London would speak to other people on trains...

Strangers are just friends you've not met yet.

And how do you square the desire for immigrants to integrate by speaking better English with making people who've integrated wait twice as long to be a British citizen?
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It had the hallmarks of trying to give a little sound bite to everyone. Typical Starmer speech of “being all things to all men” but failing to hit the mark as it had far too many themes. The 3 word slogan of “securing Britain’s future” hardly added any clarity did it?

If you want rid of low wage imported labour to fuel growth for all then stick to that single message and make it a common theme through all future policies - eg training more home grown nurses.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
The whole point of that election was to get the Tories out. The country was in chaos and everybody was suffering from multiple seismic events that hit the country/world.

Banking crisis, Brexit, COVID, and wars, to name a few, the Tories had to deal with a lot and they just didn’t have the energy to push out anything credible to vote for, especially after Sunak ceded to Musk and missed historical events.

What I find interesting, and will have to wait and see, is how Starmer’s move from cheap labour can help growth. This plan is contrary to what the experts (who have too much control) have had to say, and should we be moving away from cheap labour, giving those in certain sectors the recognition that they deserve?
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If Starmer is being dragged in to Farage’s orbit on immigration he’s making the same mistakes the remain campaign did.

Extol the benefits - remain lost as soon as they argued how much it cost to be in the EU rather than saying what we get for our money - same here I fear, don’t talk about “strangers” and “language” and how it makes your wage packet lower - say what it brings. If, of course, this is genuine labour policy and not some reaction to reform polling etc then so be it but that absolutely not how Farage is going to play it
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Not my friends in Reform.... are you going to answer my question? What is happening to those who land and are mot returned immediately?
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If they are genuine asylum seekers they will go through a process... their case will be assessed and asylum will be granted or not. In the interim they will be provided with accommodation and meals and £8.86 a week . If meals are not provided this sum increases to £49.18. This money is loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN Card) and can only be used in certain shops.

They are not allowed to work.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
' the official data we have does suggest that returns have been higher in Labour’s first few months than in equivalent periods under the previous government. The quarterly totals for Q3 (8,827) and Q4 (8,531) 2024 were higher than any other quarterly figures since the 2019 general election ' so still very high deportation results.
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Notwithstanding that these aren’t enforced deportations that’s not what you said in your post.

Anyway I try and avoid these immigration debates as they aren’t terribly pleasant.
 
metalblue said:
If Starmer is being dragged in to Farage’s orbit on immigration he’s making the same mistakes the remain campaign did.

Extol the benefits - remain lost as soon as they argued how much it cost to be in the EU rather than saying what we get for our money - same here I fear, don’t talk about “strangers” and “language” and how it makes your wage packet lower - say what it brings. If, of course, this is genuine labour policy and not some reaction to reform polling etc then so be it but that absolutely not how Farage is going to play it
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Just emphasised, yet again, what a poor politician he is. Don’t take on reform on immigration, as you can’t win. Those voters have, essentially, gone.
Take on reform on the NHS, on the economy and yes, most of all, on Brexit. Keep highlighting what a huge cost it’s been, what the economy might have looked like, what schools and the NHS might have looked like and, most importantly, highlight who’s made the cash since the vote….
Whilst doing all this, keep playing clips of all the quotes and interviews given by Farage and his gang about how great everything would be…

Of course he won’t, because not only is he not a strategist, he’s got a wooden cabinet who don’t seem to get it either.

To be fair to Farage though, what he’s extremely good at is getting mainstream politicians to come and play on his pitch, with his rules and with his ball. If Starmer can’t see how that worked out for the Tories, he’s even more shortsighted than I feared….
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
If they are genuine asylum seekers they will go through a process... their case will be assessed and asylum will be granted or not. In the interim they will be provided with accommodation and meals and £8.86 a week . If meals are not provided this sum increases to £49.18. This money is loaded onto a debit card (ASPEN Card) and can only be used in certain shops.

They are not allowed to work.
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Thanks and appreciate the reply....We have thousands, tens of thousands of homeless people who could be housed where these people are being put. I am not against them being placed in accommodation.... but I'm more of a "charity begins at home" person.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks and appreciate the reply....We have thousands, tens of thousands of homeless people who could be housed where these people are being put. I am not against them being placed in accommodation.... but I'm more of a "charity begins at home" person.
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You could house the homeless if we wanted to. It is not a binary option. We do not house the ‘tens of thousand’ who are homeless because we choose not to do so.

And we choose not to because those outraged at refugees being housed would be also outraged at ‘the homeless being given free housing and living it large funded by our taxes’ etc, etc.

Charity at home? Yeah, right.
 
BobKowalski said:
You could house the homeless if we wanted to. It is not a binary option. We do not house the ‘tens of thousand’ who are homeless because we choose not to do so.

And we choose not to because those outraged at refugees being housed would be also outraged at ‘the homeless being given free housing and living it large funded by our taxes’ etc, etc.

Charity at home? Yeah, right.
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Go to many Manchester tower blocks and you'll see exactly that already in motion .....PIP claimants akimbo.
 
BobKowalski said:
You could house the homeless if we wanted to. It is not a binary option. We do not house the ‘tens of thousand’ who are homeless because we choose not to do so.
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Just wow..... The crap that is pontificated to try to justify a political point on here ?

First of all your numbers are bad. Shelter reckon that there are at least 354,000 homeless in England (note, not the UK).
At least 354,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England https://search.app/oJjAD9JvabbLJjSa9 Shared via the Google App
Where do you suggest you put them Bob as apparently it's only a matter of will ?

Councils are already heading back to the bedsits of old by allowing family housing stock to be turned into HMOs at record rates.....

That's before we start on immigration of whichever type you choose.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Thanks and appreciate the reply....We have thousands, tens of thousands of homeless people who could be housed where these people are being put. I am not against them being placed in accommodation.... but I'm more of a "charity begins at home" person.
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Strange tho how we managed to house the homeless during COVID but once that was over we couldn't.
 
bluethrunthru said:
How much income tax will they pay in ££££'s

They could not take their pension and remain tax free. As a pensioner I can assure you anyone getting an extra £50 per month places a value on that cash that is far more than that of any working person.

As for a tax return - its not an onerous job. If you are claiming a private pension 95% of the answers you will be ticking are - N/A, NO, NONE - its people making it out to be a mammoth task that scares people - as happens with pension credit if you work the other way and need to make up a shortage of funds
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Tax return? What tax return? HMRC knows what my state pension is, they apply a tax code to my occupational pension, and any part-time employment is taxed at full basic rate.
 
tweety said:
Are you a speech writer for the labour party conference!
International law, don't make me laugh, it's only the UK that seems to follow it. The French do exactly what suits them and I would do the same.
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Why don't refugees stay in the first country they reach? | The IRC

Do refugees have to seek asylum in the first country they enter? Why don't asylum seekers stop before they get to the UK? It’s time to separate the myths from the facts…
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MouldensChippy said:
Just wow..... The crap that is pontificated to try to justify a political point on here ?

First of all your numbers are bad. Shelter reckon that there are at least 354,000 homeless in England (note, not the UK).
At least 354,000 people homeless in England today - Shelter England https://search.app/oJjAD9JvabbLJjSa9 Shared via the Google App
Where do you suggest you put them Bob as apparently it's only a matter of will ?

Councils are already heading back to the bedsits of old by allowing family housing stock to be turned into HMOs at record rates.....

That's before we start on immigration of whichever type you choose.
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700,000 empty homes in this country with 260,000+ considered long term empty. Staggering when we’re in the middle of a housing shortage!
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
700,000 empty homes in this country with 260,000+ considered long term empty. Staggering when we’re in the middle of a housing shortage!
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The problem is, they belong to someone, and would require permission to use. The long term empty would probably need re-furbishing.

Are you suggesting that officialdom effectively steal property ?
 
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