PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Stoned Rose]

I’ve been thru the bins outside the commission’s office and I can sensationally report that someone there eats an awful lot of wine gums.

Always thought you came across a bit scouse.

;)

 

[Coatigan]

Perhaps a clue may be found in several posts on this thread.

Fwiw, I am not debating how the tea leaves look to people. I am simply pointing out - they are just fucking tea leaves!

 

[Stoned Rose]

What I don't get is this.

The same people that believe we have known the winning verdict for months, based on our apparent demeanour of general confidence, implied supposed aggression towards and tone of disdain of the PL - also then believe that we would do the PL such a big favour of courtesy, to sit on this for months!

Willingly allowing them time to get their shit together for an announcement that is least damaging to them, meanwhile ourselves enduring months of damaging speculation and innuendo surrounding the club, fans, and the team, at a time when we were fighting to save our season. Despite... the very same apparent demeanour of general confidence, implied supposed aggression towards and tone of disdain of the PL.

Aye, ok guys, makes total sense!

That’s because we don’t have a ruling yet mate. Your points are absolutely valid and make sense.

We’ll know from the evidence which way it’s gone though.

 

[the plasterer]

Is it possible the spending spree is due to us perhaps knowing we are getting a transfer ban??. Does anyone know if they even have to the power to ban us in transfer market??.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I'm also cautious in thinking that there's any result known yet. Sure there's plenty soft signals but Masters laughing and joking away at Anfield last week might be seen as a soft signal for those who want us ruined.

My opinion is that both sides are confident. In absence of any concrete information we just simply don't know.

 

[Coatigan]

That’s because we don’t have a ruling yet mate. Your points are absolutely valid and make sense.

We’ll know from the evidence which way it’s gone though.

I agree, and have always agreed on that.

My issue here is not with the belief that we have won. It is with this wild conspiracy that we know or have known the verdict handed out in sectet, for months.

 

[Newman Noggs]

What I don't get is this.

The same people that believe we have known the winning verdict for months, based on our apparent demeanour of general confidence, implied supposed aggression towards and tone of disdain of the PL - also then believe that we would do the PL such a big favour of courtesy, to sit on this for months!

Willingly allowing them time to get their shit together for an announcement that is least damaging to them, meanwhile ourselves enduring months of damaging speculation and innuendo surrounding the club, fans, and the team, at a time when we were fighting to save our season. Despite... the very same apparent demeanour of general confidence, implied supposed aggression towards and tone of disdain of the PL.

Aye, ok guys, makes total sense!

I don't believe the club, or anyone else outside the panel, knows the outcome.

I do believe that, if the PL win, rival clubs will do everything they can to get us wiped off the face of football.

But, if we win, I don't believe it serves our long-term interest to inflict as much damage on the PL as we could, if we chose to. The alternative to the PL is the ESL and, although we already, virtually, have that, this version is better than the version united, liverpool and arsenal (and other clubs around Europe) wanted. We destroy the PL, we give the power back to the people we least want to give it to.

My point being, that, once the result is known, I think that, if we have won, there will be some collaboration between the club and the PL over timing and optics. If they have won, it will get nasty.

 

[Coatigan]

I'm also cautious in thinking that there's any result known yet. Sure there's plenty soft signals but Masters laughing and joking away at Anfield last week might be seen as a soft signal for those who want us ruined.

My opinion is that both sides are confident. In absence of any concrete information we just simply don't know.

I.e - tea leaves.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I agree, and have always agreed on that.

My issue here is not with the belief that we have won. It is with this wild conspiracy that we know or have known the verdict haned out in sectet, for months.

Agree mate, that bit is nonsense.

 

[johnny crossan]

You’ve always been very confident and bullish on this. Am I right that you have some word on the feeling within the club?

Not these days but I trust Khaldoon.

 

[eastmanc]

Is it possible the spending spree is due to us perhaps knowing we are getting a transfer ban??. Does anyone know if they even have to the power to ban us in transfer market??.

No it's because we need a rebuild.

 

[chaddblue]

Why, in what way?

The north stand expansion
The £200m january splurge
The 10 year Haaland contract
The Pep contract extension
Strong rumours of big money about to be spent
The confidence exuded by everybody at the club or with links to the club when asked about the charges or the future
Our biggest critics / haters appear to have gone relatively quiet recently

I can't really think of one thing that's happened or something the club has done or said that makes me think... oh we could be in trouble here

 

[Newman Noggs]

Sure there's plenty soft signals but Masters laughing and joking away at Anfield last week might be seen as a soft signal for those who want us ruined.

Clearly the relief and security of being on his masters' turf !

 

[Coatigan]

The north stand expansion
The £200m january splurge
The 10 year Haaland contract
The Pep contract extension
Strong rumours of big money about to be spent
The confidence exuded by everybody at the club or with links to the club when asked about the charges or the future
Our biggest critics / haters appear to have gone relatively quiet recently

I can't really think of one thing that's happened or something the club has done or said that makes me think... oh we could be in trouble here

That is just confidence that they believe that we have done nothing wrong. It is not by any stretch proof we 'know' the verdict.

The club have repeatedly said we don't have the ruling. The PL have said there is no ruling. The panel have said nothing. Various multiple lawyers have taked about how long this may take. We have ourselves seen how long a simpler less extensive APT ruling took.

All those things you note above have reasons for happening. And I agree they are good to see and do show the club aren't worried.

But they are not proof we know the verdict or have a ruling which is the context of discussion here and what you responded to.

What IS proof that there hasn't been a ruling, is the fact there has been no ruling, and all parties are saying there is no ruling yet.

 

[chaddblue]

That is just confidence that they believe that we have done nothing wrong. It is not by any stretch proof we 'know' the verdict.

The club have repeatedly said we don't have the ruling. The PL have said there is no ruling. The panel have said nothing. Various multiple lawyers have taked about how long this may take. We have ourselves seen how long a simpler less extensive APT ruling took.

All those things you note above have reasons for happening. And I agree they are good to see and do show the club aren't worried.

But they are not proof we know the verdict or have a ruling which is the context of discussion here and what you responded to.

What IS proof that there hasn't been a ruling, is the fact there has been no ruling, and all parties are saying there is no ruling yet.

I'm not saying there has been an official ruling... or even an unofficial draft or verbal ruling

But Lord Pannick will know how it went. The PL legal team will know how it went and I'm sure the two legal teams will talk to each other. They may be in agreement that City have won or even blown the PL out of the water.... and this will have been passed onto City

Anyway, probably no point speculating as we'll find out for sure soon enough, but I'm less worried about the outcome now than I've ever been in the last two and a half years or whatever it is

 

[Lord Blue]

That is just confidence that they believe that we have done nothing wrong. It is not by any stretch proof we 'know' the verdict.

The club have repeatedly said we don't have the ruling. The PL have said there is no ruling. The panel have said nothing. Various multiple lawyers have taked about how long this may take. We have ourselves seen how long a simpler less extensive APT ruling took.

All those things you note above have reasons for happening. And I agree they are good to see and do show the club aren't worried.

But they are not proof we know the verdict or have a ruling which is the context of discussion here and what you responded to.

What IS proof that there hasn't been a ruling, is the fact there has been no ruling, and all parties are saying there is no ruling yet.

Common sense at its finest. 100% agree.

 

[Coatigan]

I'm not saying there has been an official ruling... or even an unofficial draft or verbal ruling

But Lord Pannick will know how it went. The PL legal team will know how it went and I'm sure the two legal teams will talk to each other. They may be in agreement that City have won or even blown the PL out of the water.... and this will have been passed onto City

Anyway, probably no point speculating as we'll find out for sure soon enough, but I'm less worried about the outcome now than I've ever been in the last two and a half years or whatever it is

I would imagine both sets of lawyers will offer their clients some confidence. And both parties will feel a level of belief they have strong grounds for a verdict in their favour.

Having re-read your previous post, I get what you are saying, it was more the context of the discussion my response is to.

I like the way the club have gone about it, and seeing their unimpeded actions. But not using that to take anything for granted and certainly not as proof of them 'knowing' anything. In the exact same way I didn't take last summer's decisions in what was a poor transfer market, or our mid season dip in form, or pep's facial scratches, to mean we knew we were fucked.

As you say, we will know when we know. And what we believed till then will be good to share but ultimately will matter little.

 

[mancboy]

I'm also cautious in thinking that there's any result known yet. Sure there's plenty soft signals but Masters laughing and joking away at Anfield last week might be seen as a soft signal for those who want us ruined.

My opinion is that both sides are confident. In absence of any concrete information we just simply don't know.

They are confident because realistically they have nothing to lose, they do the charges at the behest of of the cartel clubs and our reputation is besmirched, if they win they have got what they wanted, WHEN they lose they will simply say that they have a duty of care to the rest of the clubs to follow up any suspicions they may have and they are glad that the situation is now resolved, thats how these slippery fucks work.

 

[give it to gordon]

When ever I get a wobble of doubt I just remind myself of who's involved.

PL = couldn't get the charge sheet correct.
Lost their case against Leicester.
Red cartel is running the pl.

City = top top business people who run government's and big business.
Top world wide companies that invest in City, Silvelake.
Top companies who sponsor City.
Members of a Royal Family.

I just can't see the people involved with City being fraudsters. All these companies are guilty if City are. The fall out across the world would be huge and damaging to these people, their country and their businesses. I just can't see them risking it all for a football club.

I can imagine the red cartel being fraudsters because thats American way. Threatening to take over countries, putting huge taxes on other countries. Or just invade them.
It's in the Americans DNA. to just take what they want. Americans can't cope not being the top dog.
They have the world series of rounders that only Americans play in ( apart from 2 Canada teams ).
Americans think they are the guardians of the world but only on their terms.

American owners will destroy our football, and the British press/media are just sitting back and letting it happen.

 

[mancboy]

When ever I get a wobble of doubt I just remind myself of who's involved.

PL = couldn't get the charge sheet correct.
Lost their case against Leicester.
Red cartel is running the pl.

City = top top business people who run government's and big business.
Top world wide companies that invest in City, Silvelake.
Top companies who sponsor City.
Members of a Royal Family.

I just can't see the people involved with City being fraudsters. All these companies are guilty if City are. The fall out across the world would be huge and damaging to these people, their country and their businesses. I just can't see them risking it all for a football club.

I can imagine the red cartel being fraudsters because thats American way. Threatening to take over countries, putting huge taxes on other countries. Or just invade them.
It's in the Americans DNA. to just take what they want. Americans can't copy don't being the top dog.
They have the world series of rounders that only Americans play in ( apart from 2 Canada teams )

The PL brought a water pistol to a nuclear fight, they have massively overstepped and they know it, from day one i have said this was about the pl showing they could keep their own house in order so they wouldnt have to deal with an independent regulator, they thought we were low hanging fruit and that we would take a slap on the wrist and they could turn round and say to the independent regulator, see we have this in hand we dont need oversight, they didnt expect us to fight back and when we did they have been scrambling ever since.