The Labour Government

Alan Harper's Tash said:
If you don’t think the asylum test is worthy, then that’s just another thing to add to the perpetual debate and there is nothing really more for us to chat about on that subject.
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I think it's very easy to pretend you were being persecuted when you don't have to offer any evidence. Perhaps you think otherwise.
 
Labour party and Rachel from accounts seem to think they can tweak certain things without realising the true knock on effect. It always gets passed on to the consumer one way or another and exponentially increases the cost of living. Increasing employer statutory requirements will always be passed on to the consumer. The expectation that companies are going to absorb some of the adjustments is like 80s fantasy movie stuff. It is addressed by covering the the impact it has on local government? There are very few services that are inhouse these days....even from labour run local governments. It is pure fantasy that these career politicians live in. I consider myself far more conservative government but yet I truly believe for true change, a lot of services need to be brought back in house.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I didn't say that did I ? You have a very bad habit of trying to put words in people's mouths ? It would be better if you didn't do that.
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Okay. It’s like the whole of this thread.

It’s pointless.

Poe’s law definitely is applicable to this thread, but the name Poe needs to be changed to hilts.

It owns him completely.

I managed 12 days without comment and re-engaging still results in the same meaningless nonsense.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Okay. It’s like the whole of this thread.

It’s pointless.

Poe’s law definitely is applicable to this thread, but the name Poe needs to be changed to hilts.

It owns him completely.

I managed 12 days without comment and re-engaging still results in the same meaningless nonsense.
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Well you know the answer to that then don't you. Trouble is you don't practice what you preach. You just seem continually moan about it.

Perhaps you need a break from this forum? You seem to get quite stressed at times when you find out that people have differing views to your own.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Well you know the answer to that then don't you. Trouble is you don't practice what you preach. You just seem continually moan about it.

Perhaps you need a break from this forum?
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I’m not moaning about anything. :-)

I’ve just worked out the futility of this thread and trying to help others to see that.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I’m not moaning about anything. :-)

I’ve just worked out the futility of this thread and trying to help others to see that.
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It's called debate, that's what happens people don't always have to agree. Have you ever watched question time and seen them all agree at the end? Seriously perhaps you do need to relax a little, your default position is to engage and discuss at a high level, which i think most on here including myself welcome, but then more often of late when someone doesn't agree with you, you just come out and say oh how pointless it all is again and again, which is a bit of a moan. :-) Anyway until the next time.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
It's called debate, that's what happens people don't always have to agree. Have you ever watched question time and seen them all agree at the end? Seriously perhaps you do need to relax a little, your default position is to engage and discuss at a high level, which i think most on here including myself welcome, but then more often of late when someone doesn't agree with you, you just come out and say oh how pointless it all is again and again, which is a bit of a moan. :-) Anyway until the next time.
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I’m totally relaxed. I’ve not debated with anyone one here for a long time now.

I’ve just commented on the fact that the same debates are had with the same people, same results and same insults.

Ergo, it’s pointless.

But it passes the time…
 
Arrests of migrants working illegally in the UK have increased by 51% in the year since the general election, after the government targeted restaurants, nail bars, and construction sites.

From 5 July 2024 - the day after Labour won the election - to 31 May 2025, 6,410 people have been arrested on suspicion of working illegally, according to Home Office figures.


This is a rise of 51% on the previous year when the Conservatives were in government, the department says.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Arrests of migrants working illegally in the UK have increased by 51% in the year since the general election, after the government targeted restaurants, nail bars, and construction sites.

From 5 July 2024 - the day after Labour won the election - to 31 May 2025, 6,410 people have been arrested on suspicion of working illegally, according to Home Office figures.


This is a rise of 51% on the previous year when the Conservatives were in government, the department says.
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It’s excellent news and suggests that we do indeed have a huge problem with illegal immigrants and workers despite the attempts at gaslighting from a section of society that we don’t.
 
Username Required said:
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So far this year, approximately 14,600 migrants have made it across the Channel, the highest figure recorded for the first five-month period, and putting 2025 on course to have the highest number of illegal entrants since the Norman Invasion of 1066. This presents a particular problem for Britain’s Labour Government, as reducing illegal migration across the Channel was a key election manifesto promise. Delivery was supposed to demonstrate an administrative efficiency which Labour officials asserted was lacking in the previous Conservative administration.

The influx on May 31 overwhelmed the UK’s maritime services. With Border Force vessels fully occupied transporting illegal migrants rescued from the Channel to safety in Dover, fishing boats were called upon by the Coastguard to rescue a number of other boats at sea that had got into difficulties. The RNLI lifeboat from Dover was also spotted by onlookers bringing people to shore.

*snip*

Illegal entry is also attractive because once arrivals set foot on dry land and claim asylum, they become eligible for food, hotel accommodation, and national health services while their asylum applications are processed, which can take many years.

maritime-executive.com

Record Single Day Number of Illegal Boat Crossings on the English Channel

A record 1,378 illegal migrants are believed to have crossed the English Channel on May 31, the highest figure of crossings yet recorded. It surpasses...
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I think you'll find that the Normans were not illegal entrants. What law did they break?

Now the Glorious Revolution was illegal, but once here William made himself king so that made it fine and not illegal - just like any asylum seeker who gets asylum granted under international law.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
You think there is actually any form of robust test available?
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There is a screening process which includes verifying your identity which goes toward the veracity of an individuals claim. We used to have access to the EU’s screening process which is helpful in processing a claim. I don’t know if that is still the case.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Arrests of migrants working illegally in the UK have increased by 51% in the year since the general election, after the government targeted restaurants, nail bars, and construction sites.

From 5 July 2024 - the day after Labour won the election - to 31 May 2025, 6,410 people have been arrested on suspicion of working illegally, according to Home Office figures.


This is a rise of 51% on the previous year when the Conservatives were in government, the department says.
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pre-2024 BlueHammer85 would have been disgusted by these figures, calling them a racist Tory policy and a persecution of innocent workers and that there was no such thing as 'Migrants working illegally'.

So what happened to you?
 
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Alan Harper's Tash said:
Huh? People move because they’re being oppressed/destitute/war torn etc.

Most don’t come here, but the few that do are vilified for it for some reason.

The vast majority of asylum seekers do not commit crime, just like the vast majority of native U.K. citizens don’t commit crime.

They probably enrich society as much as you enrich U.K. culture. Ie. In a minuscule way.
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So you don’t blame the French for moving them on as “ the cost is way too much “ but you are happy for us to beat the cost ?
 
Hertzblue said:
So you don’t blame the French for moving them on as “ the cost is way too much “ but you are happy for us to beat the cost ?
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The French do nothing they don’t have to do.

They process the asylum claims from the people who wish to claim asylum there, as per international law.

The ones that don’t want to claim asylum there, they don’t stop them from leaving.

I’m not sure anyone is advocating the U.K. volunteering to process applications of asylum seekers that have not expressed any interest in staying here.
 
hampshireblue said:
Sometimes it seems you post just for the sake of it. I'm sure you can see the difference between "stop" and "reduce".
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Pot kettle, anyhow I can see the difference so you probably need to have a word with Sir Keir of Uturnshire who said he was going to smash the gangs and stop the boats.

Two nice little 3 word slogans, you know the ones some posters used to rightly call out Johnson Trump Farage as examples.They've gone quiet on that a bit like protecting the elderly, the disabled, austerity, immigration is great etc.......

I suppose he could have said reducing the boats as opposed to stopping the boats but he didn't.

Reducing the boats


Nice 3 word slogan that:-)

* sorry for pointing out hypocrisy I know it irks some.
 
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