PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

StillBluessinceHydeRoad said:
I am intrigued by Tolmie's post outlining Berrada's assessment given to executives at OT, in particular his call to prepare for "civil war". He does appear to think this will result from City's exoneration by the IC. This does not seem hard to believe. I am minded of a story a little while ago that a PL chairman speaking, he claimed, for many others said that he, and they, were not interested at all in the 115 hearing, because they had no chance of finishing in the top four, and the outcome of the hearing and charges was only of interest to a small number of clubs (which are ...?). Now, if this small number of clubs react to the verdict by trying to clear off to some money spinning "super" league (with the rags and Spurs!!!) after having cost everyone else millions in legal costs (and interest on owner loans which they were promised would be interest free) civil war may well be a fitting description of the outcome with wich Mr Masters (?!) would have to deal.
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All possible and I know nothing about any of this. I'm hoping though that the 'civil war' part may be more to do with fallout relating to email correspondence between other clubs and the PL that shows them in a bad light.
 
JASR said:
…and yet, your comment in the Social media thread about City being higher than Liverpool in followers, but only because of ‘115’, ‘cheats’ wanting to be shouted by nonCity fans:


So, you can’t have it both ways.
‘no one is mentioning the charges’ along with ‘they only signed up to mention the charges’

It’s certainly a sign of something to be able to hold 2 diametrically opposite views as both being true.

it’s also quite funny, that neither of your statements are completely true.

In the world of social media, City have been by far the most successful PL club in the last decade, so naturally people will gravitate to us ahead of others.

And in the world of bitter jealousy from the red cartel mardarses fed by a media pack of boyhood fans pineing for the past, the ‘115’ is mentioned at every opportunity in any interactions involving City.

the words of Haaland ‘stay humble’ are always apt when a red fan decides to spout nonsense.
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A new Victim to play with, excellent :)
 
halfcenturyup said:
The standard of proof is balance of probabilities because it's a civil case, but the nature of the most serious allegations means the evidence has to be particularly cogent, which raises the standard way beyond simple balance of probabilities, closer to beyond a reasonable doubt. Somewhere in the middle, I suppose. The panel isn't going to toss a mental coin and see which side it falls on. It will have been more like tossing a coin five times and unless the same result is achieved then forget it (yes, I know it's not a perfect analogy).

Add to that a presumption that people act responsibly and within the law, especially respected businessmen with impeccable reputations who give witness statements, and the PL better have some serious smoking documents if they want to have any chance at all of succeeding on the most serious charges. Which they won't.
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Overstating the standard here. BoP is always BoP - cogency does not make it closer to reasonable doubt. It is not even the CAS standard of comfortable satisfaction. It is BoP. https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/proving-fraud-english-courts-higher-standard
 
JASR said:
…and yet, your comment in the Social media thread about City being higher than Liverpool in followers, but only because of ‘115’, ‘cheats’ wanting to be shouted by nonCity fans:


So, you can’t have it both ways.
‘no one is mentioning the charges’ along with ‘they only signed up to mention the charges’

It’s certainly a sign of something to be able to hold 2 diametrically opposite views as both being true.

it’s also quite funny, that neither of your statements are completely true.

In the world of social media, City have been by far the most successful PL club in the last decade, so naturally people will gravitate to us ahead of others.

And in the world of bitter jealousy from the red cartel mardarses fed by a media pack of boyhood fans pineing for the past, the ‘115’ is mentioned at every opportunity in any interactions involving City.

the words of Haaland ‘stay humble’ are always apt when a red fan decides to spout nonsense.
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And when did said fans start following? Way before your form took a nosedive I'd wager. Nice try but let's be honest it was an easy return you left.
 
Goochy said:
Now that you have stopped winning everything, I genuinely think that people don't really care any more. I know I don't and I used to be obsessed with the case. Surely you must have noticed this? Apart from a few die-hards on Twitter, it barely gets a mention.
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And when we start winning everything it will kick off again. Same as human rights, state funded, bungs and secret payments. All of it bollocks to keep the opposition fan sane and happier.

It makes City fans wonder what the motives are, because news is news, but City news is only when we are winning?
 
Goochy said:
And when did said fans start following? Way before your form took a nosedive I'd wager. Nice try but let's be honest it was an easy return you left.
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And when did said Liverpool fans start following? Way back in time as Littlewoods pumped in massive money to a mediocre 2nd division team, and elevated them by financial doping to dominate the mid 60’s-80’s, so gaining supporters from everywhere.

Nice try but lets be honest, you know nothing about your own club, it was an easy return you left.
 
Goochy said:
Now that you have stopped winning everything, I genuinely think that people don't really care any more. I know I don't and I used to be obsessed with the case. Surely you must have noticed this? Apart from a few die-hards on Twitter, it barely gets a mention.
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Every time we do a transfer deal ,red cartel fans mentioned 115 on social media, so people do care, probably worried we might start winning again
 
Goochy said:
Now that you have stopped winning everything, I genuinely think that people don't really care any more. I know I don't and I used to be obsessed with the case. Surely you must have noticed this? Apart from a few die-hards on Twitter, it barely gets a mention.
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And there in a nutshell is the 115 case.

Your use of the word stopped will prove premature.
 
slbsn said:
Overstating the standard here. BoP is always BoP - cogency does not make it closer to reasonable doubt. It is not even the CAS standard of comfortable satisfaction. It is BoP. https://www.whitecase.com/insight-alert/proving-fraud-english-courts-higher-standard
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Would it be more accurate if I said, then, that the weight of evidence needed to demonstrate the PL's case is substantially greater for the most serious allegations than it is for the minor allegations, somewhere between that needed for the minor allegations and that needed for a criminal conviction?
 
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