Sycamore Gap tree felled | Man in his 60s also arrested

KS55 said:
Evidence of intoxication is required. Just saying it is very thin.
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
Because no matter how pissed he was, there is no verifiable evidence he was over the drink drive limit. Someone can drink a bottle of whisky and be under the limit and others be over after a glass of wine. The limit is set by law based on the reading in the breath/blood and there is no evidence of any alcohol in either. Unlike North Korea, criminal convictions can only be supported by worthwhile evidence.

The limitations of this particular law, is why refusing to give a specimen is a separate offence but by the time he’d been pulled there was no point in requiring him to give one.
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Whoops, I guess I didn't think it through properly sorry guys. Of course they have to be breathalysed etc DUH!!
In my defence it was just that they had used it in their defence!! (No pun intended) :-)
 
hilts said:
Well then if we are giving 4 -5 yrs for criminal damage then we would have to give what? 7-8 yrs for beating someone up. Maybe we should get rid of this 40% bollocks.

Just found out they would have got less if they pleaded guilty. They do seem thick as pigs shit.
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Think that’s pretty standard to get a longer sentence when being found guilty after pleading not guilty, than if you pleaded guilty in the first place?
 
M18CTID said:
Think that’s pretty standard to get a longer sentence when being found guilty after pleading not guilty, than if you pleaded guilty in the first place?
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Think it's about 30% from what I heard on the news. Is it 30% off for pleading guilty then 40% for good behaviour. Its like a fucking sale at Macys
 
i kne albert davy said:
Don't think the World will be a worse place with this pair missing for a few years.
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I live in the North East and the local news (both channels) have run pieces that show how its impacted the area and further - people proposed to under its shade, ashes scattered, local businesses severely impacted by drop off in business - its more than just a bit of vandalism

 
For me, they should have been given the maximum amount community service that can be handed out. I have no idea what it is. But every single weekend for 3 years would be about right.
Locking them up achieves absolutely nothing. It's not going to rehabilitate them. You can't fix stupid.
I suppose it's a pointless sentence as punishment for a pointless crime. There is absolutely no benefit to the public in locking these two dickheads up.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
For me, they should have been given the maximum amount community service that can be handed out. I have no idea what it is. But every single weekend for 3 years would be about right.
Locking them up achieves absolutely nothing. It's not going to rehabilitate them. You can't fix stupid.
I suppose it's a pointless sentence as punishment for a pointless crime. There is absolutely no benefit to the public in locking these two dickheads up.
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Community Order can only be for a maximum of two years iirc.
 
york away to this! said:
Ridiculous if these cunts only serve 40% of their sentence in prison.
A couple of years and they'll be on the beech.
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I cedar disappointment in such a lenient term inside. Alder time in the world would still not be enough for these scrotes. Let them pine for freedom whilst they rot inside.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Community Order can only be for a maximum of two years iirc.
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Tbh I think that would be more effective than prison for 4 years in terms of rehab, and it effectively puts them 'in the stocks' which they deserve.
Putting aside the iconic statis of this tree, similar acts of vandalism by developers etc go unpunished all the time
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh I think that would be more effective than prison for 4 years in terms of rehab, and it effectively puts them 'in the stocks' which they deserve.
Putting aside the iconic statis of this tree, similar acts of vandalism by developers etc go unpunished all the time
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I doubt those developers damaged an historic wall though did they.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Tbh I think that would be more effective than prison for 4 years in terms of rehab, and it effectively puts them 'in the stocks' which they deserve.
Putting aside the iconic statis of this tree, similar acts of vandalism by developers etc go unpunished all the time
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I’ve already posted that I consider people who damage property for selfish commercial reason less culpable than these two cunts. Doing bad for the sole purpose of making others unhappy is the lowest of the low and should be punished accordingly.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I’ve already posted that I consider people who damage property for selfish commercial reason less culpable than these two cunts. Doing bad for the sole purpose of making others unhappy is the lowest of the low and should be punished accordingly.
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I don't agree because that brings emotion into it (imho)
 
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