Middle East Conflict

Bibi bombing Syria now.
Nothing to do with one of his coalition partners threatening to leave and trigger a general election unless the people they represent are made immune from conscription to the IDF...


Getting sick to fuck of this government and their genocidal army being allowed to do what the fuck they want.
 
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The blue phantom said:
Only when all the Palestinians are dead or out of Gaza and the West Bank.
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And even then I'm not sure. There'll be other land to grab.
However in the long term Israel is fucked.
Once China usurps the US as the hegemonic power Israel will be incredibly vulnerable. And so it should be the way it has carried in the last 75 years.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
You're a bit dense aren't you?

Thats a letter from the UN Observer for Palestine, in other words their official representative, not a UN official. Don't you think they're going to be just a little bit biased? Now be a good boy, do as mummy tells you, drink your milk and go to bed.
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"Biased" - well not as much as the stuff that comes out of Israel which is a total joke ! Do you think those things outlined in the report didn't really happen ? Even if only 10% happened, it's a disgrace. Plus Israel keeping all the international journalists out of Gazza doesn't help. After all, you would think that if they were proud of what they did and had nothing to hide, they would want the journalists there to showcase to the world all their good work or at least prove that the other side was lying!

Earlier, I actually meant to link to a couple of UN reports (not the one I included). These are shown below. Both of these are from fairly highly respected sources. Perhaps they will be more to your liking - though I doubt it as their conclusions are broadly similar!

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...aels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

"Dense" you say ! That is a laugh coming from someone who used stupid little graphs (meaningless data and even time points) and absurd analogies with the British forces in N. Ireland to prove that there was no genocide taking place in Gazza or to help justify the IDF's slaughter of 1000's of innocent victims.

With regard to "running home to mummy", again quite interesting as this is exactly what you did when you posted your stupid little charts/NI analogy then you disappeared for a few days without the briefest defence of your argument(s) - quite understable really given how pathetic they were, only to come back days later hoping that people wouldn't remember. Like a kid taking their ball home and then showing up at the park a few days later with it tucked under their arm hoping to start afresh all over again!

Anyway, I am sure there must be something that makes you so biased on this subject - religious background, upbringing, whatever, as I don't think any sane / logical person would make some of the "arguments" you make. It is obviously an emotional belief so there is little point debating with you. Just deflection after deflection and a total unwillingness to admit that Israel is wrong, even to some degree, no matter what horrors they commit. Remember Israel is meant to be a legitimate State. Shame it doesn't act like one!
 
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Scoobz3 said:
"Biased" - well not as much as the stuff that comes out of Israel which is a total joke ! Do you think those things outlined in the report didn't really happen ? Even if only 10% happened, it's a disgrace. Plus Israel keeping all the international journalists out of Gazza doesn't help. After all, you would think that if they were proud of what they did and had nothing to hide, they would want the journalists there to showcase to the world all their good work or at least prove that the other side was lying!

Earlier, I actually meant to link to a couple of UN reports (not the one I included). These are shown below. Both of these are from fairly highly respected sources. Perhaps they will be more to your liking - though I doubt it as their conclusions are broadly similar!

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/genocide-as-colonial-erasure-report-francesca-albanese-01oct24/

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...aels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide

"Dense" you say ! That is a laugh coming from someone who used stupid little graphs (meaningless data and even time points) and absurd analogies with the British forces in N. Ireland to prove that there was no genocide taking place in Gazza or to help justify the IDF's slaughter of 1000's of innocent victims.

With regard to "running home to mummy", again quite interesting as this is exactly what you did when you posted your stupid little charts/NI analogy then you disappeared for a few days without the briefest defence of your argument(s) - quite understable really given how pathetic they were, only to come back days later hoping that people wouldn't remember. Like a kid taking their ball home and then showing up at the park a few days later with it tucked under their arm hoping to start afresh all over again!

Anyway, I am sure there must be something that makes you so biased on this subject - religious background, upbringing, whatever, as I don't think any sane / logical person would make some of the "arguments" you make. It is obviously an emotional belief so there is little point debating with you. Just deflection after deflection and a total unwillingness to admit that Israel is wrong, even to some degree, no matter what horrors they commit. Remember Israel is meant to be a legitimate State. Shame it doesn't act like one!
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He certainly has form for going on the attack and then disappearing. Someone, can't remember who, asked him, after one of the posts you mentioned, whether the illegal settlers in the West Bank should be removed.

No answer was forthcoming despite repeated pleas, as it would be interesting to know.
 
robbieh said:
He certainly has form for going on the attack and then disappearing. Someone, can't remember who, asked him, after one of the posts you mentioned, whether the illegal settlers in the West Bank should be removed.

No answer was forthcoming despite repeated pleas, as it would be interesting to know.
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Here's my answer. Yes they should, although there should be some land exchanges around the old 1948 borders. I've said on numerous occasions that the settlers are a major issue. I've said on numerous occasions that I find the continued action of the IDF horrific (although Hamas could stop it overnight) and that Netanyahu's major concern is saving his own skin. How many more fucking times do I need to repeat the same things?

I see there's condemnation in here of Israel's actions against Syria, without any condemnation of the Syrian forces massacres of the Druze in Southern Syria. There's a large Druze population in Israel and they're trying to protect them and warn the Syrians off.

But there's a cabal on here who'd rather overlook one side committing massacres because it doesn't fit their biased narrative.

Next question?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Here's my answer. Yes they should, although there should be some land exchanges around the old 1948 borders. I've said on numerous occasions that the settlers are a major issue. I've said on numerous occasions that I find the continued action of the IDF horrific (although Hamas could stop it overnight) and that Netanyahu's major concern is saving his own skin. How many more fucking times do I need to repeat the same things?

I see there's condemnation in here of Israel's actions against Syria, without any condemnation of the Syrian forces massacres of the Druze in Southern Syria. There's a large Druze population in Israel and they're trying to protect them and warn the Syrians off.

But there's a cabal on here who'd rather overlook one side committing massacres because it doesn't fit their biased narrative.

Next question?
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Next question: do you believe yet that it is genocide?

Personally, I can't see much difference between what has been happening in Gaza and what happened to Jews in WWII other than the methodology and the scale. It's that bad now IMO.

Personally ,I think every Jew world wide should be utterly ashamed of Israel (as the only Jewish state) because they now represent what nearly annihilated the Jewish race only a few generations ago.
 
TonyM said:
Next question: do you believe yet that it is genocide?

Personally, I can't see much difference between what has been happening in Gaza and what happened to Jews in WWII other than the methodology and the scale. It's that bad now IMO.

Personally ,I think every Jew world wide should be utterly ashamed of Israel (as the only Jewish state) because they now represent what nearly annihilated the Jewish race only a few generations ago.
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Another one who can't seem to read, or comprehend what they're reading. No it's not genocide, whatever else it is (and there's lots of bad things you could describe it as).

So apart from the methodology, which involved a deliberate attempt to systematically murder as many European Jews as humanly possible, simply because they were Jews, and the scale, 6 million of 9 million European Jews exterminated. And while one dead Gazan or Israeli is too many, we're talking about probably 1% of the civilian population of Gaza when combatants and active supporters are excluded.

You also conveniently forgot to mention that Israel is fighting a sworn enemy, which launched a murderous indiscriminate attack on their soil, involving rape and hostage taking. And they shelter behind civilians and hide in tunnels under civilian buildings while their population is getting pounded. The Jews in 1930's Germany weren't attacking peaceful German gatherings and launching rockets at German cities.

So yes, just the same as WWII. Talk some sense for fuck's sake..
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Here's my answer. Yes they should, although there should be some land exchanges around the old 1948 borders. I've said on numerous occasions that the settlers are a major issue. I've said on numerous occasions that I find the continued action of the IDF horrific (although Hamas could stop it overnight) and that Netanyahu's major concern is saving his own skin. How many more fucking times do I need to repeat the same things?

I see there's condemnation in here of Israel's actions against Syria, without any condemnation of the Syrian forces massacres of the Druze in Southern Syria. There's a large Druze population in Israel and they're trying to protect them and warn the Syrians off.

But there's a cabal on here who'd rather overlook one side committing massacres because it doesn't fit their biased narrative.

Next question?
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Appreciate the answer. Agree with the points in your first paragraph although don't think Hamas releasing all the remaining hostages would satisfy Netanyahu and his cronies. They want to evacuate Gaza, that seems clear to me.
To be honest I don't think a two state solution is happening under current Israeli leadership.
But I have always had the rather utopian view that Israelis and Palestinians could set an example to the rest of the world by having a secular one state solution. Only by living and working side by side can people begin to get rid of their huge antipathy towards each other.
 
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