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Chippy_boy said:
What about the 80% of their pay that was paid to millions of people in furlough payments? Of course those people had that didn't they.

I'm really not motivated to jump on any PPE scandal bandwagon. Doubtless some bad decisions were taken but the vast majority have to be seen in the context of the fact that the UK was in panic mode. We were desperate to buy PPE and respirators from anywhere we could get them and it's obvious we couldn't go through the usual, drawn out procurement processes that would have taken months at least. Hospital staff were desperate for any PPE they could get. I am sure some things were done that should not have been. I am equally sure that most MPs and ministers are decent and honest and that most of the noise is fuelled by political opposition milking the story as much as possible.

And a minor point, this still doesn't explain how TinFoilHat has his money taken off him by rich people. The money the government paid out was not his money.
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In total i got 11k in grants. Three grand of that went straight to the landlord of the building my shop is in for rent when i was shut down.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What about the 80% of their pay that was paid to millions of people in furlough payments? Of course those people had that didn't they.

I'm really not motivated to jump on any PPE scandal bandwagon. Doubtless some bad decisions were taken but the vast majority have to be seen in the context of the fact that the UK was in panic mode. We were desperate to buy PPE and respirators from anywhere we could get them and it's obvious we couldn't go through the usual, drawn out procurement processes that would have taken months at least. Hospital staff were desperate for any PPE they could get. I am sure some things were done that should not have been. I am equally sure that most MPs and ministers are decent and honest and that most of the noise is fuelled by political opposition milking the story as much as possible.

And a minor point, this still doesn't explain how TinFoilHat has his money taken off him by rich people. The money the government paid out was not his money.
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There is no PPE scandal bandwagon. It was just plain corruption, which was brushed under the carpet by the subsequent enquiries.
 
hampshireblue said:
If you look elsewhere on the Broadband site where the article originates, there is an article suggesting the government needs to get involved as viewing habits chnage and move towards IPTV based viewing.
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That's just one of the articles. It originates from the government. Which doesn't need to get involved.

Anyways this is not a hill either of us want to die on, I suggest.
 
Craig said:
Your first paragraph is what i was referring to. Forgetting the abomination that was PPE. If the government gave everyone was it 16 or 20k? No working class people i know have ended up 20k better off as it all went on food and bills. Ok, some might have over indulged on cheap booze too from the supermarkets during that time.

The government are worse off for giving that money out. The working class are no better off and to be honest probably worse off. Meanwhile inequality has never grown so fast. Stocks, shares and gold have all reached all time highs. So you don’t have to be a detective to see who’s hands the trillion pounds or whatever it was has ended up in.
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Of course the working classes are worse off that had they still been working full time. But we had COVID and the medical advice was that we needed shutdowns. Sitting at home and getting 80% of the normal wage, certainly made them better off than sitting at home and getting 0%. It's highly misleading to say that the furlough scheme made everyone worse off!
 
Chippy_boy said:
Of course the working classes are worse off that had they still been working full time. But we had COVID and the medical advice was that we needed shutdowns. Sitting at home and getting 80% of the normal wage, certainly made them better off than sitting at home and getting 0%. It's highly misleading to say that the furlough scheme made everyone worse off!
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No, you’re missing my point mate. I’m not saying getting 80% instead of 100% wage made them worse off. In fact you could argue the opposite in that time because you couldn’t go the match, pub, restaurants etc and there wasn’t much point buying clothes with nowhere to go. Plus no petrol to pay for.

What i’m saying is after it people didn’t come out of it with 20k more because most of their furlough they were getting was going on mortgages/rent and food. The government went into even more debt because of it. Money doesn’t just vanish though so who ended up with the trillion quid? Well, going off the way stocks, shares and gold have ended up since it’s fairly obvious to assume it ended up in the hands of the very rich. Who weren’t able to spend extravagantly during covid.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Sorry I know one should have an open mind but I flatly refuse to listen to a single word that bloke utters. I can't stand the the bloke. That's just how it is.

Did he explain how someone took TinFoilHat's money off him, and what money was it that TinFoilHat had before it was taken off him?

Anyway, I don't like arguing with you, you're not dim ;-)

Have a good evening.
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He said you're naive. We have to get wealth off the super wealthy or have lots more poverty.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Looks like the UK car industry is currently in free fall.

The result of a double whammy of a relatively poor trade deal with Trump which added 10% tarriffs to UK car exports when we had an overall trade balance with the US.

Combined with Milliband punishing and fining them for making and selling cars the consumer wants. Leading to manufacturers leaving the UK. Smart move Mr Milliband.

www.bbc.co.uk

UK vehicle making hits lowest level since 1953, excluding Covid

Data shows a slump in car and van production as the industry trade body hopes a UK-US tariff deal will bring "confidence".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Pity Brexit had already halved the industry.
 
Chippy_boy said:
What I meant was how much of our oil and gas revenues were spent on that, which was your point. Had you said some of it went on that, then OK. But you did say most.

Doing a quick google, north sea oil and gas generated about £10bn per year in government revenue at its peak in the 1980's vs a dole bill at the time typically 3 or 4, peaked briefly at 6. So on face value there's some merit in what you say, although it is a bit less than half to be strictly accurate.

But you cannot attribute 100% of the unemployment to Thatcher. There were 1.3m unemployed when she first entered office.
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So she only increased it by 150%. Well done Maggie.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Of course the working classes are worse off that had they still been working full time. But we had COVID and the medical advice was that we needed shutdowns. Sitting at home and getting 80% of the normal wage, certainly made them better off than sitting at home and getting 0%. It's highly misleading to say that the furlough scheme made everyone worse off!
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I'm working class and got rock all of my normal wage.
 
Vic said:
So she only increased it by 150%. Well done Maggie.
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Best PM in the past 50 years. I imagine your myriad misconceptions and broken ideogies lead you to a different conclusion.

Why oh why can't we just be like every other failed socialist economy over the past 100 years. It's such a crying shame isn't it.
 
Vic said:
He said you're naive. We have to get wealth off the super wealthy or have lots more poverty.
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I doubt he said anything to me at all. And he's a **** who I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire. So really not bothered what he has to say.
 
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