Tino Livramento

BluestBlue said:
The same ones that didn’t get a Rodri cover until after he done his ACL. The same ones that didn’t get a proper LB for a decade ?

Whoever made the decision it’s the wrong call as it stands.
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Rodri done his ACL shorly after window closed. What could they have done ffs? You think its easy to buy anybody good to be a cover for a Baloon o'Dor winner? We tried it with Kalvin Philips, its not that easy.

They reacted first window they could and brought in January Nico.

LB is another matter, because we had Ake and Gvardiol who were playing there with a success, then O'Reilly emerged. Ake got injured time and time again last season.
 
Coatigan said:
That is quite a restrained claim though, which is my point. Usually when there is real attempts, you get all the 'personal terms agreed' claims etc, there has been nothing of the sort yet
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what are you argue with? I responded to Your claim when You literally said In fact there have been more reports that we are Not trying to sign him.

So firstly You almost deny any interest, than talking about restrained claim which specifically reports that real interest has been there.
 
blueparrot said:
I've seen nothing to suggest that Newcastle want to sell or have set any price. Certainly nothing that suggests they would take anything like £65mill or we would go anything near what they would ask.
Also not seen anything from anyone saying he wants and is pushing to leave.
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Nobody was talking about Newcastle wanted to sell or set a price or Tino been pushing to leave. I been talking about City's interest in Tino, obvious Newcastle position they do not want to lose another player and speculate what its gonna take to convince/force Newcastle to sell.
 
Coatigan said:
All fair.

Other than maybe that 65m figure which is something you have made up yourself.
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I didn't make up the £65m figure as such. I merely split the difference between the reported £50m City have offered & the £80m valuation Newcastle have set.

The ball's in Newcastle's court because of the player's remaining contract length, hence the add-ons being in the Geordie's favour.

Regardless, we need to get transfer negotiations for Tino started ASAP, & then focus on selling/loaning the ageing & unwanted players, so we can trim the squad size & wage bill accordingly.
 
nmc said:
What if City have floated a figure in the £65m ballpark and it’s been deemed unacceptable. We may have been told, come back with an offer that starts with an 8. What do you expect the club to do? I guess we just wait and hope Newcastle relax their stance and quietly look elsewhere- which is what we seem to be doing.
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The £65m figure plus add-ons is me splitting the difference between the reported £80m Newcastle want & the £50m City have offered. Because of Tino's contract length, I gave Newcastle the add-ons advantage.

I honestly don't see a better alternative. Tino is talented, young & a homegrown England international. He can serve us well for the next decade like Kyle Walker before him, who we bought for £50m+.

Because City have PSR headroom & the money to spend, I'm not too focused on the reported £80m Newcastle want. If Tino nails down the RB spot at City for the next decade, the fee requested works out at £8m per season (plus wages & bonunses etc).

The question then becomes, is 22 year old, homegrown England international, Tino Livramento worth £8m a season over the next 10 years for City? The fact he can play left back, as well as right back makes this transfer a no-brainer imo.

We need to just get it done mate...
 
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Playing Nunes at fullback leaves us exposed down that side. Yes we will have Rodri back (well we hopefully have him back but he aint going to be fully up to speed or close to his best) but there are two main issue with Nunes. Firstly he is attack minded and therefore is going to want to bomb forward - nothing essentially wrong with that but its the space he leaves behind him. Despite his pace, he isnt a physical player nor a strong tackler like you would say Walker was, Khusonov is etc so even if he does get back he doesnt challenge well for the ball when caught the wrong side of the attacker.

Secondly who do we play on that right side of midfield to cover Nunes and the space he will leave and also who do you play at right centre half (we know Gvardiol will be the left centre half) - If its Dias as the right centre half he too will then get exposed - he aint great 1vs1..He is a brilliant leader and tactially aware and inteligent so he will be in the right place BUT he doesnt have the attributes again to go 1vs1...so who is the right sided midfielder?

It cannt be Foden or Cherki as that leaves the right side horribly exposed - therefore it has to be either Bernardo or Nico G and in that scenario it will be Bernardo as Pep loves and (rightfully) trusts bernardo - this system places a whole lot of pressure on Bernardo....

SO not only does playing Nunes leave us exposed defensively it means that Pep suddenly has less ability to play a full array of attackers (one or two of at least Bobb, Foden, Cherki in some games are going to get left out

In posession and attacking it may look like this:

------------------------Haaland

Ait Nouri----Marmoush ---Cherki or Foden-----Nunes

---------Reijnders-------rodrii-----Bernardo

---------------Gvardiol-------Dias------------

------------------------Ederson

That right side is exposed to counter attacks and quick switches of play (which we say the opposite way last year an awful lot with play being switched in behind Gvardiol at a certain point in the season)

The press is going to have to be very good and Haaland is an issue with this, I no way is that a dig at Haaland who is a phenominal player in every other aspect but his physique doesn't allow him to be great at pressing.
Those balls over the top/switches of play etc are always going to be on if our press fails
Retention of the ball is going to be so key for us as it always is but now we dont have Walkers pace and defensive capabilities to bail us out.

If he played Rico at fullback (who is less attacking and not an overlapping fullback )

------------------------Haaland

Ait Nouri----Marmoush ---Cherki -----Foden/Bobb

---------Reijnders-------rodrii-----Rico

---------------Gvardiol-------Dias------------

------------------------Ederson

Again this leaves the right side very exposed - we know Rico generally retains the ball very well BUT his lack of physicality is very highlighted in terms of lack of pace to recover and getting bullied off the ball

Now the answer for me to a lot of this and IF we aint getting a right back (and some people wont like this) is to drop DIas and replace him with Khusonov....he is better one to one, can cover the ground needed a lot more..but you do lose that leadership and experience that Dias brings.

-----------Haaland

Ait Nouri----Marmoush ---Cherki -----Foden/Bobb

---------Reijnders-------rodrii----Bernardo

---------------Gvardiol------Khusonov

------------------------Ederson


the only other option is Akanji which gives us a lot more defensive set up as he doesnt really get forward at all and aint great at stepping into midfield:

-----------Haaland

Ait Nouri----Marmoush ---Cherki -----Foden/Bobb

---------Reijnders-------rodrii-----

---------------Gvardiol-------Dias------------Akanji

------------------------Ederson

In this scenario you could alos potentially play bernardo deeper if you wanted (taking out Reijnders)

Obviously there are slight other permutations with the likes of Nico G, Savihnio, Doku and even ORelly playing at left back or Ake (with Ake you obviulsy lose your attacking potential but like with having Akanji on the other side you can play someone more creative next to Rodri)

If Stones could stay fit it changes everything BUT we know this is unlikely .......

Thats my thoughts on it anyway
 
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Alexia_Ko said:
Probably a target for next season. I don’t see Newcastle getting UCL football this season
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It's obviously not happening this summer. Always makes me laugh when people get hysterical about City signing a player that they're patently not going to sign. That itself is a sign of immaturity IMO.
 
IronsideKozuch said:
Rodri done his ACL shorly after window closed. What could they have done ffs? You think its easy to buy anybody good to be a cover for a Baloon o'Dor winner? We tried it with Kalvin Philips, its not that easy.

They reacted first window they could and brought in January Nico.

LB is another matter, because we had Ake and Gvardiol who were playing there with a success, then O'Reilly emerged. Ake got injured time and time again last season.
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Stop talking sense, it’ll never catch on in here
 
I am not getting the hype about Livramento. In the whole of last season playing in an attacking top 4 team he got no goals and just one assist, in the previous season he got one goal and no assists (can’t remember if that was for Newcastle or not and tbf he had a lot less starts).So for me he is decent defensively but not creating enough offensively and on the basis of those simple stats I wouldn’t pay £80m for him
 
BringBackSwales said:
I am not getting the hype about Livramento. In the whole of last season playing in an attacking top 4 team he got no goals and just one assist, in the previous season he got one goal and no assists (can’t remember if that was for Newcastle or not and tbf he had a lot less starts).So for me he is decent defensively but not creating enough offensively and on the basis of those simple stats I wouldn’t pay £80m for him
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Only this!! He's gone from being a half decent full back to being prime £100 million world beater since the season ended, our club aren't daft and this thread is a waste of bandwidth
 
Gaz76 said:
Only this!! He's gone from being a half decent full back to being prime £100 million world beater since the season ended, our club aren't daft and this thread is a waste of bandwidth
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If he wasn’t English he’d be half the money or less….
 
BringBackSwales said:
I am not getting the hype about Livramento. In the whole of last season playing in an attacking top 4 team he got no goals and just one assist, in the previous season he got one goal and no assists (can’t remember if that was for Newcastle or not and tbf he had a lot less starts).So for me he is decent defensively but not creating enough offensively and on the basis of those simple stats I wouldn’t pay £80m for him
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spent more time on his arse than mick channon
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Maybe, but he there’s no denying he is class. I’d argue he was one of the best right backs in the league last season.

There’s also the opposite where complete unknown foreign players are overrated and cost a fortune
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I think he's good enough to be City's RB but I suspect best case scenario they wait a year. Worst case scenario they don't ever buy a player off Newcastle. Their chairman and our chairman are very friendly and obviously mix in the same circles. Wouldn't surprise me if the reason we've not pushed for him is out of respect.
 
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