The Rise of the Far Right

[5 Hit Gibbon]

From Sarfraz Manzoor’s Them: What Muslims and Non-Muslims Get Wrong About Each Other:

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Well, you did ask.

Quite a few of the people marching don't seem to be exemplifying the part about individual liberty, tolerance and mutual respect?

 

[The perfect fumble]

And a different group of people!

What indigenous population? I've never heard such a load of bollocks. We're a melting pot of cultures and races going back millennia!!

That's simply not true

So you mean people who have settled here over time. Could you let us know the appropriate timeframe required? Are us Irish immigrants ok? My grandad came over in the 50s, but some cousins have only actually come over in the last decade after graduation - which ones are ok?

The right wing prefer the term natives, I despise it, it has whiff of racism about it for me

But forget race, ethnicity binds a person to a place...

An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history or social treatment.

I use the term indigenous people for want of an alternative, but whatever you call them they are the folk who are here and have been here for a sufficient period of time that its maze to trace their roots anywhere else. Or the more recent arrivals, those that have made this country their home so completely as to make no difference. We know them, some of us are them, no one can question whether they exist, we all know they do and they make up the bulk of the population.

But newcomers must have an in, to belonging, if we're going to thrive as a country and a society, there has to be full membership if we're going to emphasise integration over multiculturalism, and for me there must be a destination that has a sign with indigenous over the door for anyone making that journey.

This is a hope of mine, I'm trying to see a way out of this mess that involves carrots and not just sticks.

 

[M18CTID]

Anyone offended by the uk flag or St George's cross is a class a ****

Look, I doubt anyone is offended by the flags. The flags are great, as are most flags. I mean, why the fuck would I be offended by a St.George’s flag when I’ve often displayed one during international football tournaments? I’ll also add that I’m even more invested in the patriotism around the England cricket team when they’re playing a test match.
No, what people are offended by are some of the knuckle-dragging cunts who are behind this sudden display of so-called patriotism and are hijacking the flags for their own nefarious ends, just like the National Front did in the 70s and 80s. And if you don’t think there are any wrong ‘uns involved in this then I suggest you read the post by @Manchester33 on page 2 of this thread.

 

[Proelious]

Look, I doubt anyone is offended by the flags. The flags are great, as are most flags. I mean, why the fuck would I be offended by a St.George’s flag when I’ve often displayed one during international football tournaments? No, what people are offended by are some of the knuckle-dragging cunts who are behind this sudden display of so-called patriotism and are hijacking the flags for their own nefarious ends, just like the National Front did in the 70s and 80s. And if you don’t think there are any wrong ‘uns involved in this then I suggest you read the post by @Manchester33 on page 2 of this thread.

Can't seem to find 33's post, has it been removed?

 

[meltonblue]

That's simply not true



The right wing prefer the term natives, I despise it, it has whiff of racism about it for me

But forget race, ethnicity binds a person to a place...

An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history or social treatment.

I use the term indigenous people for want of an alternative, but whatever you call them they are the folk who are here and have been here for a sufficient period of time that its maze to trace their roots anywhere else. Or the more recent arrivals, those that have made this country their home so completely as to make no difference. We know them, some of us are them, no one can question whether they exist, we all know they do and they make up the bulk of the population.

But newcomers must have an in, to belonging, if we're going to thrive as a country and a society, there has to be full membership if we're going to emphasise integration over multiculturalism, and for me there must be a destination that has a sign with indigenous over the door for anyone making that journey.

This is a hope of mine, I'm trying to see a way out of this mess that involves carrots and not just sticks.

I understood what you meant when you posted the video, good luck with getting everyone to change their interpretation of indigenous to that! Im not averse to the principle.

The question is still how far people want that integration to go. There’s a reason Robinson for example is using Christianity and it isn’t for religious purposes as such…

 

[The perfect fumble]

I am reliably informed by @The perfect fumble that ‘you will know it when you see it’.

No excuses now. You can’t say you haven’t been told.

Because we do know it, it takes a special kind of clever to be that stupid. There's a mainstream German culture and a French one too, amazing I know.

I lived in Nigeria for three years, there's a mainstream Yoruba culture, you don't think so? Go ask a Hausa or an Igbo.

 

[borassic]

Look, I doubt anyone is offended by the flags. The flags are great, as are most flags. I mean, why the fuck would I be offended by a St.George’s flag when I’ve often displayed one during international football tournaments? No, what people are offended by are some of the knuckle-dragging cunts who are behind this sudden display of so-called patriotism and are hijacking the flags for their own nefarious ends, just like the National Front did in the 70s and 80s. And if you don’t think there are any wrong ‘uns involved in this then I suggest you read the post by @Manchester33 on page 2 of this thread.

no one is offended by the flag and he knows it

 

[Vic]

"It's complex" is the left's default position when they want to avoid the obvious.

But you think "ethno nationalism" is simple. I'm sure that's on the tip of the tongue of everyone on the march.

 

[madloaf]

Some right racist pricks at that last night of the proms, waving union jacks. Fuck me

Did they have a speaker at the end of that that complained about the "left" being the party of murderers or no?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I understood what you meant when you posted the video, good luck with getting everyone to change their interpretation of indigenous to that! Im not averse to the principle.

The question is still how far people want that integration to go.

It's not so much how far, it's the consequences of not going far enough, right now there's a few carrots and no sticks, the odd nudge coz multiculturalism won't allow anything else. if we do nothing, I fear nothing but sticks down the road.

 

[BridgyDids]

Why do u feel you always have to have a counter protest though?

Do you feel, as a patriot no doubt, that is a UK value to have the right to protest?

 

[The perfect fumble]

But you think "ethno nationalism" is simple. I'm sure that's on the tip of the tongue of everyone on the march.

You might be right, but conscious of it or not, it's the reason most of them are on it.

 

[M18CTID]

Can't seem to find 33's post, has it been removed?

Still there on page 32 mate - post 638

 

[Dazzle84]

That's simply not true



The right wing prefer the term natives, I despise it, it has whiff of racism about it for me

But forget race, ethnicity binds a person to a place...

An ethnicity or ethnic group is a group of people who identify with each other on the basis of perceived shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups. Attributes that ethnicities believe to share include language, culture, common sets of ancestry, traditions, society, religion, history or social treatment.

I use the term indigenous people for want of an alternative, but whatever you call them they are the folk who are here and have been here for a sufficient period of time that its maze to trace their roots anywhere else. Or the more recent arrivals, those that have made this country their home so completely as to make no difference. We know them, some of us are them, no one can question whether they exist, we all know they do and they make up the bulk of the population.

But newcomers must have an in, to belonging, if we're going to thrive as a country and a society, there has to be full membership if we're going to emphasise integration over multiculturalism, and for me there must be a destination that has a sign with indigenous over the door for anyone making that journey.

This is a hope of mine, I'm trying to see a way out of this mess that involves carrots and not just sticks.

So we've never had any other cultures coming into Britain and bringing their own cultural influences with them? Southern Wales has a significant Italian cultural influence (Joe Calzaghe might even be the greatest ever British boxer). I've literally been to Cardiff and been to good stalls where Welsh born people celebrate their Italian heritage.

Manchester (and loads of other towns and cities) have Jewish populations, which grew through the industrial revolution and then of course due to families being literal refugees away from Nazism

We have black communities as part of the windrush generation, South Asian communities

British values are multicultural. You might not like that, and that's up to you, but we actually live in a society that's evolved ever since man learned how to sail the seas

 

[meltonblue]

It's not so much how far, it's the consequences of not going far enough, right now there's a few carrots and no sticks, the odd nudge coz multiculturalism won't allow anything else. if we do nothing, I fear nothing but sticks down the road.

Right, but what exactly does that entail is still the question in order to make enough people happy enough? Multiculturalism still allows for plenty if you don’t take it at its purest form, which we haven’t, so it all becomes a scale.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

You might be right, but conscious of it or not, it's the reason most of them are on it.

There is, sadly, a far more obvious reason why people are on a match organised by Tommy Robinson. It has a single word description.

 

[Vic]

How far back do we have to go to determine if someone counts as indigenous or not?

927 AD

 

[madloaf]

There is, sadly, a far more obvious reason why people are on a match organised by Tommy Robinson. It has a single word description.

Concussion?

 

[Vic]

That may or may not be true but what is undeniable, is the vast majority of people protesting would see absolutely no change to their lives, whatsoever, if all the ‘foreigners’ were somehow thrown out of the country tomorrow.
The idea that everyone would ‘have a GP’, school class sizes would be 20, there’d be no NHS waiting lists, there would be tax cuts, better services and no homeless people because ‘we’d be putting our own first’ is, sadly, for the birds and the charlatans selling that nonsense are the exact same people who said all our problems were because we were in the EU.
I say ‘exact same people’ but, of course they’re all considerably wealthier than they were 9 years ago and my contempt is far greater for them than the vast majority of people on the march.

NHS waiting lists would be a lot worse. The NHS would collapse.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

927 AD

Send these sons of Norman cunts back to Rouen Bergen!

["Normans" were actually "Norsemen" - the Vikings conquered what is now Normandy and weren't really French as we think of it at all]