PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

blueparrot said:
To be fair I know my opinions are based on knowing nothing at all about how these things work and are guess work while a few others have a lot of knowledge on how these things work and are educated guesses.As long as we know that opinions are fine.
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That post should be enshrined in the CoC
Pretty much sums up every forum in existence.

Edit: and most political systems, also.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Perhaps importantly City would as Mr K originally threatened.
Unless of course an agreement could be made that had the same effect on those individuals rather than their Clubs.
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I think City have some pretty damning evidence and are using that to make some changes behind the scenes with the prem and clubs . I don't see there being the big reveal that we all hope for, and I don't see the prem being shamed or held up in public view as being the corrupt bastards they are, more Khaldoon wielding the big stick quietly but effectively to get the outcome that best suits City long term .
 
mandubs said:
So many in here with....... "thanks Stefan, you are the clearly expert, but here is what I think anyway......."
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It's no different than being down the pub.
Conversation isn't always about knowledge, it's community.
Plenty of informed people believed the first quarter of this year might be a reasonable timeframe to discover the results. The fact that no real information has been leaked gives testimony to all parties managing to contain information which might explain the lengthy process due to limiting the numbers of people involved in the admin.

Speculation is enjoyable as evidenced by the size of this thread.
 
lonestay said:
I think City have some pretty damning evidence and are using that to make some changes behind the scenes with the prem and clubs . I don't see there being the big reveal that we all hope for, and I don't see the prem being shamed or held up in public view as being the corrupt bastards they are, more Khaldoon wielding the big stick quietly but effectively to get the outcome that best suits City long term .
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It's impossible to know until we see the Judges' statement. The way it will be worded will tell the story reading between the lines. The CAS statement was damning about UEFA. The APT 1 statement was pretty negative for the PL while the APT 2 settlement (as you would expect) was pretty neutral. The PL and City will be talking to each other about how to manage the PR fall-out whatever the decision. If City are the clear winners they may be in a position to demand that some heads roll. I can't see Masters surviving either way. He should be sacked for running up such avoidable legal costs for starters.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It's impossible to know until we see the Judges' statement. The way it will be worded will tell the story reading between the lines. The CAS statement was damning about UEFA. The APT 1 statement was pretty negative for the PL while the APT 2 settlement (as you would expect) was pretty neutral. The PL and City will be talking to each other about how to manage the PR fall-out whatever the decision. If City are the clear winners they may be in a position to demand that some heads roll. I can't see Masters surviving either way. He should be sacked for running up such avoidable legal costs for starters.
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I think those that employed Mr M expected him to first of all carry out their orders then eventually be their scapegoat, then they could rinse and repeat.
Current batch of high level resignations may be part of a cleansing process that allows the individual clubs to be taken seriously given assumed evidence.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
It's impossible to know until we see the Judges' statement. The way it will be worded will tell the story reading between the lines. The CAS statement was damning about UEFA. The APT 1 statement was pretty negative for the PL while the APT 2 settlement (as you would expect) was pretty neutral. The PL and City will be talking to each other about how to manage the PR fall-out whatever the decision. If City are the clear winners they may be in a position to demand that some heads roll. I can't see Masters surviving either way. He should be sacked for running up such avoidable legal costs for starters.
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One charge of misrepresenting owner investment as sponsorship would have done the job and been a lot quicker and cheaper but it seems the redshirts wanted more. You are right, Masters must go.
 
Keith Moon said:
If the Premier League loses both the 115 and APT cases, both essentially targeting our Abu Dhabi sponsorship deals — driven by Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and United for their own benefit — and the members end up having to cover an £80m legal bill, there have to be consequences.
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It all so unnecessary. What is the point of regulating income when the spend on the team is regulated? If there were a backstop £s limit to team spend as well as a proportion of income, all this nonsense could just disappear.
 
KS55 said:
It all so unnecessary. What is the point of regulating income when the spend on the team is regulated? If there were a backstop £s limit to team spend as well as a proportion of income, all this nonsense could just disappear.
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True, it’s madness. The ink on the 2011 Etihad deal had barely dried before Liverpool’s CEO was crying about Etihad, Manchester City, and Sheikh Mansour being related parties, and UEFA needed to take action. Then they tried to get us through UEFA for 10 years, and UEFA’s members picked up the legal bills. When this failed, they tried to get us on home soil. This mess has been allowed to drag on for seven years, and one can only imagine what it has cost the Premier League’s members. And all of this just to reduce a deal worth £40m a year.
 
KS55 said:
One charge of misrepresenting owner investment as sponsorship would have done the job and been a lot quicker and cheaper but it seems the redshirts wanted more. You are right, Masters must go.
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I think it is significant that the "smear campaign" leaks from rival club Directors to their pals in the press have all but dried up. I believe United stopped briefing against City when Ratcliffe came in and appointed Berrada. Now Tim Lewis (Arsenal) and Levy (Spurs) have been forced out. Liverpool also seem to have eased off with the poison since Klopp left and they started spending money. Perhaps it is all a co-incidence but it's still good news for us. Our enemies are fading into the background.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I think it is significant that the "smear campaign" leaks from rival club Directors to their pals in the press have all but dried up. I believe United stopped briefing against City when Ratcliffe came in and appointed Berrada. Now Tim Lewis (Arsenal) and Levy (Spurs) have been forced out. Liverpool also seem to have eased off with the poison since Klopp left and they started spending money. Perhaps it is all a co-incidence but it's still good news for us. Our enemies are fading into the background.
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That was my next thought with Man U and Lpool as having at least started with TH and Ar as controlling Mr M..
I am still wondering about Liverpool but agree Sir Jim seems to have said enough is enough.
 
Keith Moon said:
If the Premier League loses both the 115 and APT cases, both essentially targeting our Abu Dhabi sponsorship deals — driven by Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and United for their own benefit — and the members end up having to cover an £80m legal bill, there have to be consequences.
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I would like to believe that but I dont think the other clubs have got a pair of balls between them. These clubs haven't moaned about the rags special treatment regarding psr or the extra millions in covid debt.
I dont think the other will stand up to the bulling American cartel owners.
 
SilverFox2 said:
That was my next thought with Man U and Lpool as having at least started with TH and Ar as controlling Mr M..
I am still wondering about Liverpool but agree Sir Jim seems to have said enough is enough.
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im waiting to see which of the dipper management 'decides to step down ' , i think the only one still around utd now i is gill possibly
 
The high priest of journalistic hypocrisy Ronay has chipped in. Looks like he's been tipped off, the PL cartel have been absolutely pasted. Its full of all the usual slurs, legal innuendo, devoid of balance, objectivity or any critical thinling just the usual politics of the playground bollocks, "its not fair"....

www.theguardian.com

A year on, Manchester City’s legal experts have the Premier League in a corner | Barney Ronay

The charges tribunal is still to report on rule breaches, but does the league really want to discredit its eight-time champions anyway?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
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Saddleworth2 said:
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion.
I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time,
like tears in rain.

Time to die for that bloody 115 verdict to be published.

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That's a thing of beauty.....kudos pal;)
 
KS55 said:
It all so unnecessary. What is the point of regulating income when the spend on the team is regulated? If there were a backstop £s limit to team spend as well as a proportion of income, all this nonsense could just disappear.
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I've come to the conclusion that some sort of hard cap on spending is the least bad option.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
The high priest of journalistic hypocrisy Ronay has chipped in. Looks like he's been tipped off, the PL cartel have been absolutely pasted. Its full of all the usual slurs, legal innuendo, devoid of balance, objectivity or any critical thinling just the usual politics of the playground bollocks, "its not fair"....

www.theguardian.com

A year on, Manchester City’s legal experts have the Premier League in a corner | Barney Ronay

The charges tribunal is still to report on rule breaches, but does the league really want to discredit its eight-time champions anyway?
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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What a pile of pretentious tripe !
 
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