manclad
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The SAS were not involved in this particular incident, just much less trained GMP armed police.
None the less, getting on the floor ( and out of the line of fire) is number one priority in this type of situation.
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Crumpsall Synagogue Attack - two people confirmed dead, one inadvertently shot by police along with the suspect
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None the less, getting on the floor ( and out of the line of fire) is number one priority in this type of situation.
pride in battle
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People will still want answers though mate.Anyone blaming the police for the tragic death of an innocent victim should perhaps remind themselves why they were at the scene and forced to shoot in the first place.
Marklr
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One of the victims was accidentally hit by a police bullet, but NOT killed?
what today?People will still want answers though mate.
artfuldodger
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And one was killed. Ones dead, ones in hospital.One of the victims was accidentally hit by a police bullet, but NOT killed?
BobKowalski
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rest assured all that will be unpicked-but its not something we need or should be informed of as a running commentary
thankfully we aren't america-my force has never ever discharged a firearm-its still so rare for the police in this country-you could've paid me ten times my wage and I still wouldn't ever carry a firearm...
Agreed. The endless emotionally charged commentary just pollutes everything. Outside of the people directly involved no one has a fucking clue as to how or why it went down the way it did. Let the process take its course and see what comes out of the investigation and take it from there.
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We don’t know what happened fully yet the bullet could quite well have gone straight through the murderer as he attempted to break in and slaughter even more people, of course there will be an enquiry but in my opinion no blame should be apportioned to the Police officer involved, I’m certain he’ll be feeling bad enough already with accidentally killing a member of the public.Anyone blaming the police for the tragic death of an innocent victim should perhaps remind themselves why they were at the scene and forced to shoot in the first place.
Bigga
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The SAS were not involved in this particular incident, just much less trained GMP armed police.
None the less, getting on the floor ( and out of the line of fire) is number one priority in this type of situation.
So, having read the Sky report and reading that the unfortunate victims were 'in close proximity to each other' signifies to me that they were, most likely, trying to keep the door barricaded.
There would be no other reason on earth to be by the door otherwise. I'd expect them to be in a safer position.
RIP, brave people.
Bluemanc100
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They were behind the door of the synagogue I’ve heard so in the line of fire but not in the line of sight for the officersWhilst I concur it was the perpetrator's fault, isn't there a clear definition of the Jewish faith holders in the area?
Whenever I've been in the area, dress code and appearance are defined, so I'm confused how a 'mistake' can happen.
Bluemanc100
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BollocksThe SAS would not have fired at a person in front of a wooden door with people behind it.
one may ask why the police needed to shoot him? he was in possession of a knife...the report was he had used a car and stabbed somebody? but he was holding a knife and had a belt carrying susp items...Agreed. The endless emotionally charged commentary just pollutes everything. Outside of the people directly involved no one has a fucking clue as to how or why it went down the way it did. Let the process take its course and see what comes out of the investigation and take it from there.
people dont get shot in this country for just carrying a knife or even using it-unless a risk to life exists..
it is quite possible that either the suspect led them to beleive it was a viable device or he was shouting that..and thats why they had little option..at that moment
LangleyBlue1970
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Amongst all this and with algorithms, I stumbles upon a clip about suicide belts. It said that more often than not they’re not real, but are made to look real so they end up dead from suicide from police. I can’t remember the percentage, but it outweighed the real suicide belts.one may ask why the police needed to shoot him? he was in possession of a knife...the report was he had used a car and stabbed somebody? but he was holding a knife and had a belt carrying susp items...
people dont get shot in this country for just carrying a knife or even using it-unless a risk to life exists..
it is quite possible that either the suspect led them to beleive it was a viable device or he was shouting that..and thats why they had little option..at that moment
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Amongst all this and with algorithms, I stumbles upon a clip about suicide belts. It said that more often than not they’re not real, but are made to look real so they end up dead from suicide from police. I can’t remember the percentage, but it outweighed the real suicide belts.
Which brings into play the M&M conundrum, if you had 50 M&M's in a bowl and one of them was poisonous and could kill you would you throw the whole bowl away or take your chances ?
LangleyBlue1970
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Sober me would bin the lot, whereas drunk, hungry me would be willing to take the risk. I know him. He definitely would.Which brings into pkay the M&M conundrum, if you had 50 M&M's in a bowl and one of them was poisonous and could kill you would you throw the whole bowl away or take your chances ?
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I couldn’t disagree more strongly Colin. What happened in Crumpsall is as tragic as it is horrendous, but it’s not even one percent of what Israel are doing daily to civilians in Gaza.If you wanted to clearly separate support for Palestinians from hatred for Jews, then you'd cancel that protest because of the optics.
Yes, the two are and should be separate, but it’s you that’s equating an abhorrence of Israel’s actions with a hatred of Jews, not I.
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Care to list some examples of people doing that and what do you mean by “getting tougher”?IMHO it's time we got tougher on the people who believe that Jew hating is the in vogue thing to do.
Bluesince1979
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Firstly, RIP to the dead. What a crazy mixed up world we live in
Secondly, as regards to the poor bugger killed by a police bullet, i couldnt get my head around how people were pottering back and forth on the widely circulated vid.
Theres some poor bastard bleeding out on the floor, police are shouting ‘get back hes got a bomb’, and theres 2/3 blokes sneaking back for a better nosey!
Secondly, as regards to the poor bugger killed by a police bullet, i couldnt get my head around how people were pottering back and forth on the widely circulated vid.
Theres some poor bastard bleeding out on the floor, police are shouting ‘get back hes got a bomb’, and theres 2/3 blokes sneaking back for a better nosey!
Also, I said this on Twitter earlier but if my lad tells me a new German lad has joined his class and he's called Adolf then I'm absolutely judging his parents.
That lad was called Jihad. Probably went through tons of official documents from immigration to child benefit and work forms etc. But of common sense needed hey?
That lad was called Jihad. Probably went through tons of official documents from immigration to child benefit and work forms etc. But of common sense needed hey?