I agree. It is another titbit of information and worth posting. It does beg a huge question though. If City’s defence “lacks credibility” then why has the investigation and hearing taken four years. Remember it is the PL who launched this action not us.I appreciate my post wasn’t delivering the feelgood hit of positive news that everyone wants to hear, which is why people are so quick to attack it - but if you actually take a moment to read the words, rather than just leap straight to a defensive position, you’ll see I’m not claiming this was some exclusive leak of the final result that I was privy to before anyone else.
At no point did I say this.
The impression I got from these guys when discussing the situation was one of bullish confidence in both the PL’s position, and dismissive confidence at the lack of credibility behind any of City’s arguments or evidence to refute the claims.
But at no point did anyone say the result was in, and they were speaking from a position of knowledge of the final outcome.
For me, it was mostly interesting because it suggested - contrary to claims on here - that the result isn’t with either party yet.
Because I would expect these guys to know if it was.
And that was mainly why I posted it.
It was at as time when a few posters were claiming the parties had either received the result, or it was imminent.
And that’s definitely not the impression I got from these conversations I had with these two.
It isn’t remotely shocking, and it’s the only thing they can say. If they were to say I think our case is bollocks and always was, it would obviously trigger the question why did you bring it then, and waste tens of millions in doing so. They will double down to the end, and feign surprise when they lose.Mate - I’m honestly surprised you’re surprised that a bunch of senior PL Execs are guilty of displaying overconfidence bordering on arrogance when discussing deeply questionable legal cases they’ve decided to pursue against their own member Clubs.
They’ve done this repeatedly in pretty much every single case they’ve pursued (and lost) over the last 12/24 months - even continuing after they’ve lost in some cases, including that of our APT ruling.
I don’t know why them taking this stance would be remotely shocking to anyone.
I find it wild nobody understood all that the first time round!I appreciate my post wasn’t delivering the feelgood hit of positive news that everyone wants to hear, which is why people are so quick to attack it - but if you actually take a moment to read the words, rather than just leap straight to a defensive position, you’ll see I’m not claiming this was some exclusive leak of the final result that I was privy to before anyone else.
At no point did I say this.
The impression I got from these guys when discussing the situation was one of bullish confidence in both the PL’s position, and dismissive confidence at the lack of credibility behind any of City’s arguments or evidence to refute the claims.
But at no point did anyone say the result was in, and they were speaking from a position of knowledge of the final outcome.
For me, it was mostly interesting because it suggested - contrary to claims on here - that the result isn’t with either party yet.
Because I would expect these guys to know if it was.
And that was mainly why I posted it.
It was at as time when a few posters were claiming the parties had either received the result, or it was imminent.
And that’s definitely not the impression I got from these conversations I had with these two.
Do we know that they actually acquiesced on the Etihad deal? As far as I’m aware that was the conclusion some Blues and journalists leaped to, but I’m not sure there’s been any confirmation of it by either City or the PL, has there?APT2 was settled because the PL acquised on the Etihad deal.
The Etihad deal was a major part of the "115 case".
Clearing a deal with which they're about to be told by a commission was fraudulent doesn't really make sense
Ehh ! The whole of Europe think we are cheats. We’ve had years of negative media coverage without any push back from City which has made a shit situation even worse.
We even had the boss of La Liga calling us cheats yet again yesterday - with not a murmur in response from City.
Absolutely ridiculous thinking this is some kind of elaborate PR strategy from City.
I would say we could not have played it any worse and our PR team if they even exist have made an absolute arse in virtually everything they have done for years.
I agree. It is another titbit of information and worth posting. It does beg a huge question though. If City’s defence “lacks credibility” then why has the investigation and hearing taken four years. Remember it is the PL who launched this action not us.
Agree, but that’s a separate point.APT2 was settled because the PL acquised on the Etihad deal.
The Etihad deal was a major part of the "115 case".
Clearing a deal with which they're about to be told by a commission was fraudulent doesn't really make sense
You sure they do not care about PR?I never said it was a PR strategy. These people aren't like you and me. They don't care about PR - and the fact there is no murmur in response to any of it should give you a clue.
I think it's a very personal FAFO legal strategy. The PL have been FAing about accusing some pretty serious people of financial fraud without, imho, any chance of success. And they are about to FO.
All imho, of course.
I wonder if he said City were a great club.:-)Masters said recently that his meeting with the redshirts was not to vet him but to ask what he thought about City. That’s even worse, but Masters couldn’t see it.
Your flight home?I’m in Spain and 40 pages have passed since I last looked. What have I missed.
Agree, but that’s a separate point.
There is no universe in which city would go through all of this to embarrass the PL.
You sure they do not care about PR?
At first they were accused of buying City to sport wash Abu Dhabi, if any truth in that then this has taken all that away and if guilty what will they be look like then?
It will damage them hugely, that is why I find it hard to believe they would risk it for what if we go back to the beginning was a lot about the Mancini contract and Yaya wages.
Peanuts compared to the bigger picture
You have hit upon a perfect new name for BM. Every single post should have this as a strapline.Or I may be talking complete bollocks.
Wonder if this is because the rags have to keep cheating there way out of failing it“We are talking to our clubs about an alternative system. That's not to say we don't think the PSR system works," Masters told an audience at the Leaders sports conference.
Nothing says that the current system is working like scrapping it and replacing it with an alternative system.
if the PL have little chance of success why was there a need for a 12 week hearing and best part of year to write it up with tens of millions legal bills on both sides.I never said it was a PR strategy. These people aren't like you and me. They don't care about PR - and the fact there is no murmur in response to any of it should give you a clue.
I think it's a very personal FAFO legal strategy. The PL have been FAing about accusing some pretty serious people of financial fraud without, imho, any chance of success. And they are about to FO.
All imho, of course.
What has happened over the past decade to even suggest we have anything close to resembling a PR team?Ehh ! The whole of Europe think we are cheats. We’ve had years of negative media coverage without any push back from City which has made a shit situation even worse.
We even had the boss of La Liga calling us cheats yet again yesterday - with not a murmur in response from City.
Absolutely ridiculous thinking this is some kind of elaborate PR strategy from City.
I would say we could not have played it any worse and our PR team if they even exist have made an absolute arse in virtually everything they have done for years.
Apt name that...if the PL have little chance of success why was there a need for a 12 week hearing and best part of year to write it up with tens of millions legal bills on both sides.
It seems there is a lot more concern about this case at City than from supporters on here.
And our owners might not be bothered about PR, but what they have done has left us with a reputation that will take a generation to shift regardless of the result of 115.
I've learnt loads on here by you and a few other posters about this case mate and you need to stop putting yourself down at the end of the post.I think you are missing the nuance of what I was trying to say. Or maybe you just don't agree with it.
But I don't think Mansour and Khaldoon care about embarrassing the PL in a public sense. I think they will want to "embarrass" the PL internally and structurally.
They certainly knew the PL would end up charging the club with something. All I am saying is that, while the charges were being developed, the club cleverly put themselves in a position where the fallout was going to be serious for the PL once the charges inevitably couldn't be proven.
I think they have done that well and I think we will see that pretty soon now.
And yes, the APT shenanigans was part of that.
Or I may be talking complete bollocks. Who knows?
In a nutshell, yes.So basically, PL execs don't know the outcome but are confident. Stop the press