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Gorton_Tubster said:
tbh I dont think it is a trump thing it is an America thing. Venezuala has lots of oil, it is also being courted by Russia for its oil. America dont want Russia on its doorstep and getting more oil. Maga's dont want a war... Trump has a fine line to walk but at the end of the day it is his supporters who he will have to let down.
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Fine enough...

But why on earth is Trump floating the idea of ground operations in Venezuela? There's zero support for this among his MAGA base, let alone Democrats.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I do not think so.

Trump comes up with numerous insane ideas - but all of them fit well into the context of his base - in other words, completely insane on the surface - but actually very popular among his base. He seems to advance crazy ideas only if his base either immediately accepts his ideas - or after an orchestrated campaign to bring his base into alignment with his actions.

The possible ground-based-action-against-Venezuela is a marked departure from the norm. It risks US lives in an ground action against an supposed foreign adversary which could easily escalate into an all out war. And this is the motivation behind my post... why is Trump so aggressive against Venezuela?
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I agree that there doesn't seem any specific cause to go after Venezuela. And sending the CIA in for a quick spot of regime changing isn't going to please a lot of people. Maybe he wants a new Cuba as an enemy to use all his weapons of peace on.
 
TinFoilHat said:
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Not a clue mate...
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Agree... I suppose.

But your link to Epstein - which I 100% agree with - puzzles me in the context of this thread.

Trump - IMO - is likely a victim of Epstein - subject to at least mild extortion for his participation in sexual encounters with underage girls...

On the other hand, Trump was able to break with Epstein (I think that this occurred because Epstein tried to recruit some of Trump's underage female staff... without Trump's consent... and that lead to a schism).

For whatever reason, Epstein didn't press his advantage (payout perhaps?).
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Agree... I suppose.

But your link to Epstein - which I 100% agree with - puzzles me in the context of this thread.

Trump - IMO - is likely a victim of Epstein - subject to at least mild extortion for his participation in sexual encounters with underage girls...

On the other hand, Trump was able to break with Epstein (I think that this occurred because Epstein tried to recruit some of Trump's underage female staff... without Trump's consent... and that lead to a schism).

For whatever reason, Epstein didn't press his advantage (payout perhaps?).
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Quite possibly.

I doubt we'll ever find out on our lifetimes.
 
If those who abused young girls facilitated by Epstein were then extorted by him, I wouldn’t call them victims. It was all part of a circular plan which the abusers willingly took part in.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Agree... I suppose.

But your link to Epstein - which I 100% agree with - puzzles me in the context of this thread.

Trump - IMO - is likely a victim of Epstein - subject to at least mild extortion for his participation in sexual encounters with underage girls...

On the other hand, Trump was able to break with Epstein (I think that this occurred because Epstein tried to recruit some of Trump's underage female staff... without Trump's consent... and that lead to a schism).

For whatever reason, Epstein didn't press his advantage (payout perhaps?).
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A participant in sexual encounters with underage girls is a paedophile not a victim i my view
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Agree... I suppose.

But your link to Epstein - which I 100% agree with - puzzles me in the context of this thread.

Trump - IMO - is likely a victim of Epstein - subject to at least mild extortion for his participation in sexual encounters with underage girls...

On the other hand, Trump was able to break with Epstein (I think that this occurred because Epstein tried to recruit some of Trump's underage female staff... without Trump's consent... and that lead to a schism).

For whatever reason, Epstein didn't press his advantage (payout perhaps?).
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Hold your hand, for you can play it at any time.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Does anyone have an explanation about why Trump is massively anti-Venezuela? Attacking small boats off the coast of Venezuela and claiming that they're involved in illegal drug smuggling without proof. And apparently sanctioning CIA ground-based operations inside Venezuela... which ultimately could escalate big time leading to the loss of US lives and perhaps to a declaration of war.

What's the upside for Trump? His base hates wars - as do most Americans - and a ground-based CIA attack on supposed drug cartels in Venezuela - to me seems to be a non-starter in terms of MAGA base support.
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The Telegraph has a piece (presumably by directive) that the plan is what Project 2025 call re-hemisphering - reducing Chinese influence in the Americas by extending US control.

I wonder which the countries prefer - general assistance and investment (on the surface) or militaristic posturing.

200 years on from the Monroe Doctrine, this is the Donroe Doctrine.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
The Telegraph has a piece (presumably by directive) that the plan is what Project 2025 call re-hemisphering - reducing Chinese influence in the Americas by extending US control.

I wonder which the countries prefer - general assistance and investment (on the surface) or militaristic posturing.

200 years on from the Monroe Doctrine, this is the Donroe Doctrine.
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Sounds like an interesting article. Do you have a link to it?
 
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