Piccadilly Gardens

[Seasideblue]

Good points mate

What also pisses me off is Manchester as a City as always been at the forefront of progressive politics and yet now our own people are attacking our own people.

Historically Manchester has always been a hotbed of political thought, ideas and innovation, we are a proud City who have lived and fought against injustice.. When Liverpool supported the Confederacy in the Ameriican civil war so they could keep there wealth, Manchester refused cotton from slaves and many went close to starvation because of there beliefs. We got a statue of Lincoln for our beliefs and our values, Liverpool declined. Marx and Engels founded there beliefs in our City as they saw the working man and everything he espoused as the true people of a nation.

Yet today a hundred years and more after everything we have achieved as a people, still we have class war and its not class war as the tories railed against in the 1800s when they thought the working class would not be able to elect just men, its turned so the tory rich elite now pit working man against working man.

As Mancunians with our rich history, we should be fucking ashamed this happening

And Manchesters rich history has got to do with the "people"in Picadilly Gardens in what way ?

In some ways lots in other not

Manchester is a city that has always embraced outsiders and always celebrated its own.

Who is too say that Marx and Morrisey were not sat in Piccadilly at some point.

Peterloo had many Mancunians of the unsavory sort according to the London centric press

-- Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:48 pm --

Yes of course i can.

It is the governments stated aim to shrink the welfare state. They have already said they will reduce the numbers claiming DLA by 20% despite fraud being 0.05%. So 1 in 5 people who are ill will no longer qualify for support. How fucking random is that?

ESA , is now only paid for 1 year, if after one year you have not found a job you lose the benefit completely, not some of it, but fucking all of it, zilch, no cash nothing. Have you any idea of what ESA is?

And shamefully fucking shamefully the govt are comitted to closing remploy. Under the fucking bizarre thought that disabled people can easily get a job in normal society.

I hope the countrynwakes up soon to whats happening, im part of these vicious changes and its fucking scary i tell you, they dont care about me, which means if you fall on hard times they will not care about you.

You stated that the gov wanted to demolish the welfare state



de·mol·ish (d-mlsh)
tr.v. de·mol·ished, de·mol·ish·ing, de·mol·ish·es
1. To tear down completely; raze.
2. To do away with completely; put an end to.


You then state that it is the goverments aim to SHRINK the Welfare State

Can you understand my confusion?

They would love you

Ask Gideon for a job, you might get to suck his deficit

This is my 1000 post so cheers Rascal for getting me in a debate

Dont need to suck any deficit for a job because i am in the fortunate position of not needing one and doubt i ever will

Now my wife works at the hospital and spends her whole carrer lisening to people who "must" stay on their benefits and spend there life trying to convince the doctors/surgens/registrars/consuultants that they are ILL yet despite all the know tests there is nothing wrong

Despite the above if a mistake is made watch the headlines in the "right wing press "stating that the health service is a shambles.

What i am trying to say is that ANY system that is there to protect us is open to abuse and WILL be ABUSED

I do not know your possition and appreciate you may be having a hard time but not everyone is as honest as you

 

[tidyman]

I've just walked through Piccadilly Gardens and saw a young girl ( 17 is my guess) She was pushing a buggy with a toddler in it and was talking into a mobile phone in what I can only describe as a council estate accent.

I obviously didn't want to engage her in conversation in case she got her drug dealer boyfriend to tune me in but I'm pretty confident that she only got pregnant to jump the queue on social housing and definately didn't look like she had ever worked in her life. Or had any intention of ever doing so.

I also think she probably would of been drinking cheap lager out of a can if she hadn't spent all her money on drugs too.

Are you on the Wind Up?

Council estate accent... WTF?

And then you spell "definitely" wrong. Spelt like it was said with a council estate accent.

Prick

Thanks for that.

Gave me a smile at the end of a boring late shift.

 

[Rascal]

And Manchesters rich history has got to do with the "people"in Picadilly Gardens in what way ?

In some ways lots in other not

Manchester is a city that has always embraced outsiders and always celebrated its own.

Who is too say that Marx and Morrisey were not sat in Piccadilly at some point.

Peterloo had many Mancunians of the unsavory sort according to the London centric press

-- Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:48 pm --

You stated that the gov wanted to demolish the welfare state



de·mol·ish (d-mlsh)
tr.v. de·mol·ished, de·mol·ish·ing, de·mol·ish·es
1. To tear down completely; raze.
2. To do away with completely; put an end to.


You then state that it is the goverments aim to SHRINK the Welfare State

Can you understand my confusion?

They would love you

Ask Gideon for a job, you might get to suck his deficit

This is my 1000 post so cheers Rascal for getting me in a debate

Dont need to suck any deficit for a job because i am in the fortunate position of not needing one and doubt i ever will

Now my wife works at the hospital and spends her whole carrer lisening to people who "must" stay on their benefits and spend there life trying to convince the doctors/surgens/registrars/consuultants that they are ILL yet despite all the know tests there is nothing wrong

Despite the above if a mistake is made watch the headlines in the "right wing press "stating that the health service is a shambles.

What i am trying to say is that ANY system that is there to protect us is open to abuse and WILL be ABUSED

I do not know your possition and appreciate you may be having a hard time but not everyone is as honest as you

Congrats on 1k posts but people can join debates regardless im sure :-)

People are desperate and turn to there doctors etc because of the lunacy of the WCA ...... BELIEVE ME, its a fucking joke, its degrading, it does not help anyone, it serves only to make the people taking it feel they are unworthy of a place in socirty.

One of the questions is can you get up from one chair and move to another chair. if you say yes, they pass you fit for work. How many chair moving jobs do you know off?

Another question is can you pick up a pound coin from a flat surface? if you say yes they will pass you fit fot work....after all the economy needs coin pickerer upperes.

People are scared, me included, because my ilness/afflication is not normal, there are things i can do, there are things i cant, i coudnt have a wank for 2 months last year because my hands are fucked, i cant open a bag of crisps, but i can meet you for a beer and hold a pint.

 

[vicg47]

Best thing about the gardens is the girl who gives out metro in the morning, with the lovely smile, she brightens up the day with her smile

 

[TCIB]

Best thing about the gardens is the girl who gives out metro in the morning, with the lovely smile, she brightens up the day with her smile

She said your a twat and she vomits at least 3 times after you walk past her.

 

[ultimateharold]

Best thing about the gardens is the girl who gives out metro in the morning, with the lovely smile, she brightens up the day with her smile

Next to Rice?

 

[Dirty Harry]

People are desperate and turn to there doctors etc because of the lunacy of the WCA ...... BELIEVE ME, its a fucking joke, its degrading, it does not help anyone, it serves only to make the people taking it feel they are unworthy of a place in socirty.

One of the questions is can you get up from one chair and move to another chair. if you say yes, they pass you fit for work. How many chair moving jobs do you know off?

Another question is can you pick up a pound coin from a flat surface? if you say yes they will pass you fit fot work....after all the economy needs coin pickerer upperes.

People are scared, me included, because my ilness/afflication is not normal, there are things i can do, there are things i cant, i coudnt have a wank for 2 months last year because my hands are fucked, i cant open a bag of crisps, but i can meet you for a beer and hold a pint.

Then get a job you workshy mutha ;-)

Rascal, I feel your pain mate, I've family in a similar position to you and have tried to help an old friend with his ESA 50 form, people look at the basic idea of what this new system is supposed to achieve and think 'yes, what's wrong with that'? Yet it's only when you look into the whole thing in detail you actually realise it's not about getting people into work, it's about saving money, and at any cost, plain and simple, that ESA 50 form is a disgrace, made even worse by the fact that the DWP decision maker doesn't even seem to read and comprehend what's been written.

As it stands the friend above will be homeless in 12 months because a) he has an occupational pension, b) he's not in a wheelchair c) he avoids going out as often as he can as he's liable to smash someones face in with something for the slightest thing, so because the incidents aren't deemed regular enough (because he knows this is the safest way for everyone that he stays indoors), he's not considered as a danger to others.

I've no doubt he'll end up in prison if by some miracle someone actually gives him a job in the first place having seen his mental and physical health records, but it'll be at the cost of someone probably being violently assaulted or even killed, maybe the government or DWP would offer him that job opportunity first if they're so sure he's fit to work ? Hmmm somehow I doubt it.

 

[kinkladze10]

Best thing about the gardens is the girl who gives out metro in the morning, with the lovely smile, she brightens up the day with her smile

Would love to smash her back doors in.

Shr deserves a medal for the job she does, she's there in the rain, snow. Most people would not do that job, for the length she has including myself.

 

[stonerblue]

And Manchesters rich history has got to do with the "people"in Picadilly Gardens in what way ?

In some ways lots in other not

Manchester is a city that has always embraced outsiders and always celebrated its own.

Who is too say that Marx and Morrisey were not sat in Piccadilly at some point.

Peterloo had many Mancunians of the unsavory sort according to the London centric press

-- Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:48 pm --

You stated that the gov wanted to demolish the welfare state



de·mol·ish (d-mlsh)
tr.v. de·mol·ished, de·mol·ish·ing, de·mol·ish·es
1. To tear down completely; raze.
2. To do away with completely; put an end to.


You then state that it is the goverments aim to SHRINK the Welfare State

Can you understand my confusion?

They would love you

Ask Gideon for a job, you might get to suck his deficit

This is my 1000 post so cheers Rascal for getting me in a debate

Dont need to suck any deficit for a job because i am in the fortunate position of not needing one and doubt i ever will

Now my wife works at the hospital and spends her whole carrer lisening to people who "must" stay on their benefits and spend there life trying to convince the doctors/surgens/registrars/consuultants that they are ILL yet despite all the know tests there is nothing wrong

Despite the above if a mistake is made watch the headlines in the "right wing press "stating that the health service is a shambles.

What i am trying to say is that ANY system that is there to protect us is open to abuse and WILL be ABUSED

I do not know your possition and appreciate you may be having a hard time but not everyone is as honest as you

And not everyone claiming benefits is a scrounger either.

The hospital has precisely fuck all to do with eligibility for benefits. Being diagnosed with an illness is not a direct line onto the 'gravy train' of state handouts.
The final say on whether someone gets anything due to ill health is taken by a PRIVATE company after an interview.

And Piccadilly gardens was fuckin brilliant last time i was there. Agueerrrrooooo....

 

[paulchapo]

This place really is the pits. Does anybody choose to go for a night out in town anymore?

 

[mexico1970]

This place really is the pits. Does anybody choose to go for a night out in town anymore?

Couple of AHEM ladies fighting and then the usual suspects chip in, fuck me this world is cooked :)

 

[mr t]

Who in their right minds would go to Piccadilly Gardens unless they had to?

Steer well clear would be my advice. Especially at night.

 

[paulchapo]

Who in their right minds would go to Piccadilly Gardens unless they had to?

Steer well clear would be my advice. Especially at night.

If you could encapture almost everything wrong with the modern world atm it would be in this clip.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Half the twats there fighting and half the twats down there filming it with smiles on their faces knowing they will get lots of likes and shares and more clicks.
I thought the police were supposed to have an increased presence down there yet were nowhere to be seen.
Whatever your views are on the LGBTQ folk, that mob attack was disgusting. Hope the pair of them are ok but fear they won’t be this morning.

 

[Blumooniac]

The decline of Western civilisation...

 

[mexico1970]

Half the twats there fighting and half the twats down there filming it with smiles on their faces knowing they will get lots of likes and shares and more clicks.
I thought the police were supposed to have an increased presence down there yet we’re no where to be seen.
Whatever your views are on the LGBTQ folk, that mob attack was disgusting. Hope the pair of them are ok but fear they won’t be this morning.

If the people beating them up would have been sporting England flags it'd have made the news, as it is it's nothing to see here and move on.

I'd like to see what happened to cause it.

 

[paulchapo]

Half the twats there fighting and half the twats down there filming it with smiles on their faces knowing they will get lots of likes and shares and more clicks.
I thought the police were supposed to have an increased presence down there yet we’re no where to be seen.
Whatever your views are on the LGBTQ folk, that mob attack was disgusting. Hope the pair of them are ok but fear they won’t be this morning.

You can hear the sirens in the distance as the police arrive at the end of the video. As you rightly say that place is such a cesspit that a permanent police presence has to be there. We have a multitude of CCTV all over the town center which are monitored but it still takes an age to get the police to such a serious incident.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Just watched it on full screen, I see that bell end was there filming, the one who has to have a body guard with him so he doesn’t get beat up. Brave twat

 

[paulchapo]

Just watched it on full screen, I see that bell end was there filming, the one who has to have a body guard with him so he doesn’t get beat up. Brave twat

DJ media or something I think. Apparently he has a rather dubious track record regarding females.

 

[Scottyboi]

Half the twats there fighting and half the twats down there filming it with smiles on their faces knowing they will get lots of likes and shares and more clicks.
I thought the police were supposed to have an increased presence down there yet were nowhere to be seen.
Whatever your views are on the LGBTQ folk, that mob attack was disgusting. Hope the pair of them are ok but fear they won’t be this morning.

Horrible bastards, some right sucker punches too. Can hear someone at the end shouting ' you might wear a dress but you're still a man' . Just a horrible place, the police should be cracking heads good and proper make the scum fear being seen in a group.