North Stand Construction Discussion

Might as well take their time in opening it, we can't fill the rest of the stadium at this present time.

City need to have a really good look and change of policy to get this stadium full and bouncing by the start of next season.
 
Because the moisture in the weather will keep bringing more and more salts out. This can take a good 2 or 3 years before it stops happening.

While it is very much 'common', it is not really 'normal'. Otherwise you'd be seeing it on every building, which you dont. And there are indeed good ways to avoid it.
How do you avoid it?
 
I took some pictures of the NS from SSL2 when I was getting the drop down banner ready before the match last night. They are on my mobile. I’ll will post the pictures tomorrow.
 
Looking at the progress , the stand has got very little chance of opening in the next few months .
The brickwork on the hotel has gone a very ugly shade of white in large areas , in the latest CP overview he mentions salts What causes it ? Is it due to poor quality bricks / mortar or is it normal
Its normal
 
Its normal

It's not. You see it often, granted, but it’s not 'normal'.

How do you avoid it?

By laying brick only in dry conditions. That includes artificial too, i.e covered, wrapping scaffolding, heaters, etc - rather than just waiting for dry sunny days which programme will rarely allow.

If those first salts don't get drawn out at the time of laying, they won't reoccur later.

That's btw from years of personal empirical efforts at it, fwiw. Tone can be misread, and I'm not trying to sound arsey here, I am responding to what I take as a genuine question, with what I know or think I know.

You do also get 'efflorescence free' brick. Most often glazed or semi glazed, and usually imported from Spain or made from spanish clays. But i've seen it get efflorescence too, and they then argue whether it is from the brick or the mortar. Forgetting that, it is fine being efflorescence free in Spain, where they lay it in compleyely different weather, and just bringing it here might not be enough.

They laid the brick on this one completely exposed, trough October to February months. Partly because there was no need for scaffolding, fair enough. But that then brings with it that risk. As others point out, it will eventually wear off though.
 
It's not. You see it often, granted, but it’s not 'normal'.



By laying brick only in dry conditions. That includes artificial too, i.e covered, wrapping scaffolding, heaters, etc - rather than just waiting for dry sunny days which programme will rarely allow.

If those first salts don't get drawn out at the time of laying, they won't reoccur later.

That's btw from years of personal empirical efforts at it, fwiw. Tone can be misread, and I'm not trying to sound arsey here, I am responding to what I take as a genuine question, with what I know or think I know.

You do also get 'efflorescence free' brick. Most often glazed or semi glazed, and usually imported from Spain or made from spanish clays. But i've seen it get efflorescence too, and they then argue whether it is from the brick or the mortar. Forgetting that, it is fine being efflorescence free in Spain, where they lay it in compleyely different weather, and just bringing it here might not be enough.

They laid the brick on this one completely exposed, trough October to February months. Partly because there was no need for scaffolding, fair enough. But that then brings with it that risk. As others point out, it will eventually wear off though.
Fucking hell !!!
 
And keep the moisture content level low, wet bricks are the problem.
Sorry but it’s the salt and gypsum in the clay that’s the problem , even if dry bricks are used and built in dry weather ,inevitably moisture will be “sucked” out of the mortar due to the porosity of the brick . Then as soon as the face of the building gets wet and then dries the salts and gypsum will be drawn out and will form the efflorescence. Only engineering bricks ( solid and non porous)are completely safe but obviously have a very straight ( clinical ) appearance , not favoured by architects !
 
Sorry but it’s the salt and gypsum in the clay that’s the problem , even if dry bricks are used and built in dry weather ,inevitably moisture will be “sucked” out of the mortar due to the porosity of the brick . Then as soon as the face of the building gets wet and then dries the salts and gypsum will be drawn out and will form the efflorescence. Only engineering bricks ( solid and non porous)are completely safe but obviously have a very straight ( clinical ) appearance , not favoured by architects !
 
It's not. You see it often, granted, but it’s not 'normal'.



By laying brick only in dry conditions. That includes artificial too, i.e covered, wrapping scaffolding, heaters, etc - rather than just waiting for dry sunny days which programme will rarely allow.

If those first salts don't get drawn out at the time of laying, they won't reoccur later.

That's btw from years of personal empirical efforts at it, fwiw. Tone can be misread, and I'm not trying to sound arsey here, I am responding to what I take as a genuine question, with what I know or think I know.

You do also get 'efflorescence free' brick. Most often glazed or semi glazed, and usually imported from Spain or made from spanish clays. But i've seen it get efflorescence too, and they then argue whether it is from the brick or the mortar. Forgetting that, it is fine being efflorescence free in Spain, where they lay it in compleyely different weather, and just bringing it here might not be enough.

They laid the brick on this one completely exposed, trough October to February months. Partly because there was no need for scaffolding, fair enough. But that then brings with it that risk. As others point out, it will eventually wear off though.

I work in housebuilding and it's completely normal because we're in England, it's pissing down for large parts of the year and no one is committing to keeping bricks dry at added cost just to avoid something that clears up in time anyway.
 
Sorry but it’s the salt and gypsum in the clay that’s the problem , even if dry bricks are used and built in dry weather ,inevitably moisture will be “sucked” out of the mortar due to the porosity of the brick . Then as soon as the face of the building gets wet and then dries the salts and gypsum will be drawn out and will form the efflorescence. Only engineering bricks ( solid and non porous)are completely safe but obviously have a very straight ( clinical ) appearance , not favoured by architects !

Na, he is right. Yes, it is the salts in the clay. But they only come out when laid in wet. If it is all done in a controlled way, they don't.

Next time you notice the white appearing in lines, you can bet that was where they left whatever course they got to uncovered and went home for the day, it rained overnight and brought it up. Cover the top when you leave it at the end of each shift, and that is avoided.
 
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I work in housebuilding and it's completely normal because we're in England, it's pissing down for large parts of the year and no one is committing to keeping bricks dry at added cost just to avoid something that clears up in time anyway.

It is only normal if people don't have or set any standards. And because we then accept it as normal, it is hard to expect those standards. But it is entirely avoidable, and not unreasonable, and people do commit to it when it is included as a requirement. And that’s amongst the things that separate good from bad builders and arguably buildings.

It is entirely reasonable to expect a bit of care applied over a period of say 6 months, to stop a building looking like shit over the next 3 years when finished, and likely recurring over the next decade at times too.
 
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