General / Mental Health Support Thread

Have you sent those e-mails today PF to the hospital department you were seen in last, I’m currently waiting for surgery at Salford Royal I waited over 12months and only when I sent an e-Mail to the consultant did I get an appointment and now I’m on the waiting list for my operation.

If you don’t tell them in writing you’re still desperately waiting for an appointment, other pushy people will get seen first that’s what it’s like these days.
Give it a go just say the date of your last appointment and you are desperate for help. Please tell them it’s an emergency situation.
 
Have you sent those e-mails today PF to the hospital department you were seen in last, I’m currently waiting for surgery at Salford Royal I waited over 12months and only when I sent an e-Mail to the consultant did I get an appointment and now I’m on the waiting list for my operation.

If you don’t tell them in writing you’re still desperately waiting for an appointment, other pushy people will get seen first that’s what it’s like these days.
Give it a go just say the date of your last appointment and you are desperate for help. Please tell them it’s an emergency situation.
When you're in my situation you barely have the energy to do anything even help yourself
 
Is there an Andy’s man club available,I know you said counselling isn’t for you,it could be that peer support could work.. sorry if you have tried this option or if I appear to be stating the obvious but I really feel your situation and hope you can find some respite.
Yeah been to that I felt it was a little bit blokey and that I was in a much more serious situation than the others there (dozens)
I only went once perhaps I should go again and see if it's any different
 
Yeah been to that I felt it was a little bit blokey and that I was in a much more serious situation than the others there (dozens)
I only went once perhaps I should go again and see if it's any different
When I went I took a close relative as he had a need to talk to other men also,this sometimes helps as it can give strength and perspective to your real issues,I hope you can consider it as a way of maybe trying to engage with it again,if nothing else it gets you out and there is a community of caring men who will listen,think and act in a very supportive way to your situation,I sincerely hope you can find the courage to go back.
 
They know about the rope
The telling people I need to delete myself
The violent fantasies

Yet still it drags on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

Perhaps they think I'm lying to get seen sooner ?

It feels like they are actively trying to prevent me getting a release from this purgatory. I'm sure that's untrue but still.....

One of their constant questions to me is "do you have any plans harming yourself"?

To be honest I feel that this is going to be taken out of my hands. There are several motorway bridges around where I live and who knows I might spontaneously just decide to go over. The pain is that severe. The depression is that severe.


How'd it go at the hospital?

Did you make any contact steps towards any of the services suggested?
 
Ended up not going to A&E.
Undecided about who to contact or what to do next.
Everything's so difficult.

When you can't think straight in a depressive state and you're struggling with a direction, just go. The start is the important bit.

Fill in your online self help referrals. That shouldn't be an effort. Just start typing and don't overthink it.

That's your life jacket.

Put it on.

Otherwise effectively you're just swimming with no direction and that becomes tiring in itself and you'll want to give up.

Allow yourself to be helped, Pink. I mean...

If not, there has to be a reason why not.
 
When you can't think straight in a depressive state and you're struggling with a direction, just go. The start is the important bit.

Fill in your online self help referrals. That shouldn't be an effort. Just start typing and don't overthink it.

That's your life jacket.

Put it on.

Otherwise effectively you're just swimming with no direction and that becomes tiring in itself and you'll want to give up.

Allow yourself to be helped, Pink. I mean...

If not, there has to be a reason why not.
I'm probably scared of ending up in hospital for months.
Which isn't automatically a negative thing, I realise that.
I'm also afraid of being refused electro convulsive therapy and therefore practically being forced to self delete.
Or I'm just scared of being advised to "hold off" electro convulsive therapy while "other things" are "tried". I've tried all available medication , I've joined a gym and I go to the walk in place for counselling, but I'm sure they'll find something else for me to "try".

Meanwhile it drags on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and it's absolute fucking AGONY every single waking second of it.

Of course I'm very negative about these people I have to deal with because my experience of them is not great.
 
I'm probably scared of ending up in hospital for months.
Which isn't automatically a negative thing, I realise that.
I'm also afraid of being refused electro convulsive therapy and therefore practically being forced to self delete.
Or I'm just scared of being advised to "hold off" electro convulsive therapy while "other things" are "tried". I've tried all available medication , I've joined a gym and I go to the walk in place for counselling, but I'm sure they'll find something else for me to "try".

Meanwhile it drags on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and it's absolute fucking AGONY every single waking second of it.

Of course I'm very negative about these people I have to deal with because my experience of them is not great.

Okay, Pink. I'm not gonna get at you. If you decide to go your own way, fine, but ask yourself where you are in that sea of yours, swimming alone?

I say, fill in the forms and see if help arrives rather than keep heading in no direction and no help arrive at all. Is there even more to lose by filling in online forms?

If you want the help from services, let them help, even if you go back to hospital. You'll have the help and some structure during and post any services. Maybe the electroconvulsive therapy you crave will be on the list as they examine options if you go to the hospital. But, let them explore all other options first.

You can get help and structure through ASC and CGL IF you let them help.

I will leave it to you to decide, but you DO have options all around you.

I understand past help may not have been great, but protocols change all the time with experience.
 
Ended up not going to A&E.
Undecided about who to contact or what to do next.
Everything's so difficult.

I apologise if this is a lame question, but what are you eating?

Are you feeding your body and brain with the nutrients it needs to thrive? Proper food. Nutrient dense food, brain food.

Are you supplementing with anything? Vitamin D3 + K2 is a must for this time of year and I don't mean the poxy stuff from the supermarket. High doses in the thousands of IU's. If you're not going out during the day you must be severely lacking in vitamin D, as the majority of us are.

Magnesium. Again, none of this shit stuff from the supermarket, proper stuff. Magnesium L-threonate crosses your brains blood barrier and gets right into your brain. Or magnesium glycinate that works very well with the vitamin D3 & K2.

5-htp could be another benefit, but must not be taken with anti depressants.

I'm saying this because I supplement with all of these and find them very useful. But supplements can also be a slower process and you can end up spending a wedge of money on them. I don't mind that though because I absolutely think it's worth it when I know they are working.

If you haven't researched these kinda things, then crack on. You might end up finding it really interesting and find something that helps, even if just a bit. Every little helps, as they say.

Try and find more natural remedies from food and supplements, away from the medication now, if that's all failed. Maybe even get off them and try and assist your brain into fixing things itself without mangling it up further with more meds.

Another point I'm going to make. Have you tried getting yourself into the state of ketosis by eliminating sugars, carbs and fructose from your diet? For me personally, it's been an absolute game changer. I've been eating this way for years but stopped for a year (last year). My mental wellbeing took a massive nosedive.
My brain and body and thousands of other people's function much better using ketones as brain and body energy instead of high amounts of glucose. I started again in December and the change in my mental well being is astounding. If you've never heard of this, research it for yourself and again you may find it interesting and keeps you occupied.

Obviously I'm not a doctor or nutritionist, I'm just sharing things that have worked for me. I've gained a lot of personal knowledge from my trials and errors to get myself into a good place, and so thought I'd share them on here in the hope I could potentially point you in a new or different direction and help in some way.
 
I am on a waiting list for personal life coach or similar (that should be happening soon as the waiting time has elapsed) and one list to see a psychiatrist (3 months waiting list so eight weeks to go on that )


I realise that some might suspect I'm hogging this thread or looking for attention or something

Er, no
Absolutely not
 
I am on a waiting list for personal life coach or similar (that should be happening soon as the waiting time has elapsed) and one list to see a psychiatrist (3 months waiting list so eight weeks to go on that )


I realise that some might suspect I'm hogging this thread or looking for attention or something

Er, no
Absolutely not
No one thinks that PF.
 
I do have the option to go to the daily social at the walk in centre but I just feel too awful to leave the house and this applies to the gym too.
At the moment.



I'm.just thinking "why am I bothering to fight to live a life that's not worth it"

And that's why I think only ECT can save me
 
Lots of concern for Pink (and others) here, good to see he continues to respond to posts. If he stops talking or stops "liking" what folk say - would that be the time for someone to get round to Denton to knock on his door or call 999?

To you, Pink, every time you post it says you're hanging on, so how about letting a couple of people on here have your contact details as self-insurance in case things get really bad (yes, I know) and you don't post something?
Maybe a mod?
 
I am on a waiting list for personal life coach or similar (that should be happening soon as the waiting time has elapsed) and one list to see a psychiatrist (3 months waiting list so eight weeks to go on that )


I realise that some might suspect I'm hogging this thread or looking for attention or something

Er, no
Absolutely not
No one on here thinks you’re looking for attention we all want you to get the help you desperately need . I’m way out of my depth as regards your situation but please don’t think like that we all care and worry about you . X
 
Google 'ketosis for depression' if you haven't already and have a read. There's plenty of scientific evidence to back it up and thousands if not millions of people out there who benefit massively from it. It's interesting. YouTube videos, Reddit etc too. Read and listen to others experiences. I describe ketosis as 'switching the light back on inside my mind when it all goes dark'.

Same with the supplements. Explore the world of nootropics, there's a lot out there to try and learn about how these can realign your brain makeup and chemistry etc to boost areas that are lacking in what it needs to function properly or help rebuild and repair areas that are damaged. Use strong stuff, not the absolute guff available in supermarkets that's there just to make profit and barely make a difference, full of shite.

The meds aren't working. Try something else and keep trying and learning and try to enjoy it while you do it. It can take a while but you can get there.

Edit* Another thing worth mentioning too. Gut health. That's another interesting thing to learn about. What goodness are you feeding your gut bacteria and microbes, as that can impact mental wellbeing too.
 
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No one on here thinks you’re looking for attention we all want you to get the help you desperately need . I’m way out of my depth as regards your situation but please don’t think like that we all care and worry about you . X

Absolutely this, not one poster in here thinks that of you.
 
When you're in my situation you barely have the energy to do anything even help yourself
You have helped yourself though you’ve pushed yourself hard to go to the walk in centre and seek help and advice.

That takes a big effort and it leaves you exhausted, your helping other people who are in the same position and not able to communicate it….sometimes you have to take a step back and just rest an remember how much you have achieved already
 
I'm probably scared of ending up in hospital for months.
Which isn't automatically a negative thing, I realise that.
I'm also afraid of being refused electro convulsive therapy and therefore practically being forced to self delete.
Or I'm just scared of being advised to "hold off" electro convulsive therapy while "other things" are "tried". I've tried all available medication , I've joined a gym and I go to the walk in place for counselling, but I'm sure they'll find something else for me to "try".

Meanwhile it drags on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and it's absolute fucking AGONY every single waking second of it.

Of course I'm very negative about these people I have to deal with because my experience of them is not great.

My mother had ECT she was in hospital six weeks, I was only nine at the time so have no knowledge of her depression or what led to her “nervous breakdown” that’s what they used to call it. It helped her through a bad patch of lifelong depressive illness.

There was a lady who told me she regularly went back every six months she couldn’t find anything else that would help her situation. It’s a harsh treatment so the NHS stopped using it as a first second or even third choice.

If you think it will help PF then just keep asking for it :) North Manchester (Crumpsall) hospital) had a psychiatrist department I’m not sure which hospitals have one now it’s all changed. Lack of investment in mental health means many people are left floundering.

 
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I amused myself by looking online for advice last night.

1. Don't stay in the house, but get out and about. Check.
2. Socialise. Check. (Given I now go to church regularly, I am probably doing more socialising than in my whole life.)
3. Maintain your friendships. Check.

So maybe the answer (as this regime is not working for me) is to do the exact opposite.
 

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