North Stand Construction Discussion

jrb said:
The build has been beset with delays and issues from the start, starting with underground issues and piling issues, to endless build issues. It's very similar to what happened to the Coop Live Arena build, externally and internally.

I'm not saying Sisk will make a loss on the build as nobody knows the finer details of the build contract, but the longer the build drags on, the more likely that might happen.

From memory, confirmed on Google AI and on the City website, Sisk had a set price build of £300mill. £350mill also comes to mind. Others on here maybe able to confirm the set price build cost?

Google AI.

BAM Construction lost over £40 million on the Co-op Live arena project due to spiraling costs, which rose from £365 million to over £400 million. The firm faced significant losses, reported to be around £20 million in the first half of 2024, driven by project delays, supply chain issues, and technical, building-related setbacks.
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Thanks for the reply. Do you know if City have penalty clauses for late delivery of the project?
 
Gordyola said:
Was never scheduled for start of this season, the old roof which was removed during the close season so that was pretty much on schedule then they had to start the cladding and the rest of the new construction agains that seemed on scheduled I doubt it was ever scheduled for 2025
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Okay. Thanks for that. As I said before, I'm sure I read back in the days of B&W telly that the start of this season was mentioned. But I'm not going to argue all day about it.
 
jrb said:
The build has been beset with delays and issues from the start, starting with underground issues and piling issues, to endless build issues. It's very similar to what happened to the Coop Live Arena build, externally and internally.

I'm not saying Sisk will make a loss on the build as nobody knows the finer details of the build contract, but the longer the build drags on, the more likely that might happen.

From memory, confirmed on Google AI and on the City website, Sisk had a set price build of £300mill. £350mill also comes to mind. Others on here maybe able to confirm the set price build cost?

Google AI.

BAM Construction lost over £40 million on the Co-op Live arena project due to spiraling costs, which rose from £365 million to over £400 million. The firm faced significant losses, reported to be around £20 million in the first half of 2024, driven by project delays, supply chain issues, and technical, building-related setbacks.
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Remember that AI searches are just a summary of information taken from the internet and therefore such searches are only as good as the information they are being sourced from. Sometimes they will be correct but they will be wrong at times as well.

I did a due diligence check on a company linked to money laundering and Google AI told me they were indeed linked to money laundering. When I delved deeper and clicked the source link, it took me to the company's own web page and their own anti-money laundering policy.

I've also seen the sources of information being random YouTube videos as well.
 
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jimharri said:
I'd swear blind that I read somewhere a long time ago that the stand was supposed to be open for the start of the season, though others on here reckon I was wrong. I don't think so, but whatever. It was definitely supposed to be open for January. It seems to be dragging on. And on. And on. When did work actually commence on the project; the summer of '24?
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January was a date regularly referenced about it opening. But as we know.
 
Centurions said:
Do you mean for the Villa game (if open)? Who knows.

If you mean will it be covered eventually, then yes, one of these etfe(?) translucent jobs.
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Not a chance it will be open or covered for the Villa game.

The City Square that is, rather than the stand.
 
jimharri said:
I'd swear blind that I read somewhere a long time ago that the stand was supposed to be open for the start of the season, though others on here reckon I was wrong. I don't think so, but whatever. It was definitely supposed to be open for January. It seems to be dragging on. And on. And on. When did work actually commence on the project; the summer of '24?
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The very first and earliest opening ever publicly mooted was November last year. It was never the start of this season, that I had ever seen. That was by Sisk. The club then called that as 'the end of 2025' presumably giving themselves some room. Then it became early 2026. There has been no official update since, although some of the recent announcements still say 'this season' so they must still be leaving it open if that works out. If not, I'm sure there will be a point at which they say 'next season'.
 
HelloCity said:
Remember that AI searches are just a summary of information taken from the internet and therefore such searches are only as good as the information they are being sourced from. Sometimes they will be correct but they will be wrong at times as well.

I did a due diligence check on a company linked to money laundering and Google AI told me they were indeed linked to money laundering. When I delved deeper and clicked the source link, it took me to the company's own web page and their own anti-money laundering policy.

I've also seen the sources of information being random YouTube videos as well.
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I went on the City site. It stated £300mill. I’m not saying the final contract figure is that because outside of Sisk and City nobody knows the true figure. The £300mill was reported across numerous websites when that figure was made public.

The £300mill figure was also reported on the Sisk website.

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Friday 9th May 2025: Sisk and Manchester City marked a significant milestone in the development of the Club’s £300m entertainment destination….

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Sisk and Manchester City celebrates topping out of new entertainment…

Sisk and Manchester City celebrates topping out of new entertainment destination
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The issues with the underground work, piling, etc at the start of the build, which set the build back, was mentioned at the Sisk, Open Doors event. We were asked not to mention it outside of the event. It doesn’t matter now.
 
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jrb said:
I went on the City site. It stated £300mill. I’m not saying the final contract figure is that, because outside of Sisk and City nobody knows the true figure. The £300mill was reported across numerous websites when that figure was made public by the club on the OS.
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The £300m is the estimated cost of the project not the contract to sisk - 2 completely different.
 
bluesmith said:
Yes there are LADs, but just because a project is delayed doesn't mean its the Contractors fault and these can be levied.
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Even if they've (presumably) signed legally binding contracts? I'm assuming they're copping in for a serious amount of money for this project. You're saying that they can wriggle off the hook of these "LADS"?
 
jimharri said:
Even if they've (presumably) signed legally binding contracts? I'm assuming they're copping in for a serious amount of money for this project. You're saying that they can wriggle off the hook of these "LADS"?
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It's not wriggling off the hook if the delays aren't their fault.

The majority of construction projects finish later than scheduled, very few will have LADs attributed.
 
bluesmith said:
It's not wriggling off the hook if the delays aren't their fault.

The majority of construction projects finish later than scheduled, very few will have LADs attributed.
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I'm assuming that on a contract of this size and complexity, that there would have been extensive site surveys done, that should have flagged up any potential issues, no?
 
jimharri said:
I'm assuming that on a contract of this size and complexity, that there would have been extensive site surveys done, that should have flagged up any potential issues, no?
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Yes it would have done, but that is very rarely the cause of delay, the main causes I see are Weather and Changes. There has been literally thousands of changes on this contract.
 
bluesmith said:
The £300m is the estimated cost of the project not the contract to sisk - 2 completely different.
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Did I post Sisk was getting the £300mill? Maybe I did? Maybe I didn’t? I just posted the figure released to the media was £300mill, including a link to it. Did I make it clear the £300mill was for the build, probably not. But thanks for the correct clarification. :-)
  • Project Value: £300m (total investment in North Stand, hotel, and associated, infrastructure)
 
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jrb said:
From memory, confirmed on Google AI and on the City website, Sisk had a set price build of £300mill. £350mill also comes to mind
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jrb said:
Did I post Sisk was getting the £300mill? Maybe I did? Maybe I didn’t? I just posted the figure released to the media was £300mill, including a link to it. Did I make it clear the £300mill was for the build, probably not. But thanks for the correct clarification. :-)
  • Project Value: £300m (total investment in North Stand, hotel, and associated, infrastructure)
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You did - as per first quote.

The underground / piling works aren't the cause of the delays, Contracts were placed after these delays were established with agreed programmes to finish on the original dates.
 
jrb said:
The build has been beset with delays and issues from the start, starting with underground issues and piling issues, to endless build issues. It's very similar to what happened to the Coop Live Arena build, externally and internally.

I'm not saying Sisk will make a loss on the build as nobody knows the finer details of the build contract, but the longer the build drags on, the more likely that might happen.

From memory, confirmed on Google AI and on the City website, Sisk had a set price build of £300mill. £350mill also comes to mind. Others on here maybe able to confirm the set price build cost?

Google AI.

BAM Construction lost over £40 million on the Co-op Live arena project due to spiraling costs, which rose from £365 million to over £400 million. The firm faced significant losses, reported to be around £20 million in the first half of 2024, driven by project delays, supply chain issues, and technical, building-related setbacks.
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I’ve read that margins on large arena projects are typically no more than 2–5%, so fixed-price contracts are very risky.
 
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