Nigel Farage

What ever happened to the big red bus stating how much money we were going to save by leaving Europe.
I would love to park it in his huge gob

The one policy he has shaped has been a total disaster for this country and why we are bobbing along with zero growth, not much investment coming into the country and how we are going through prime ministers at a rate of 18 months.

The media give him an easy ride for it due to their vested interests and the Tories being on their arses. They are all spinning the tale that he’s the person to fix the country. Maybe we need 5 years of this grifting c&nt in power to finally see him off as a politician.
 
It might be helpful if you could tell us a bit about why you support a limited company that attracts so many chisellers, shysters, bigots and wrong uns?
I'm sure @moggymoz will be along shortly to give a full and cogent reply. Or maybe he's still "buzzing" after last Thursday's local elections. I see the first of their councillors elected last week has resigned already.
 
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The one policy he has shaped has been a total disaster for this country and why we are bobbing along with zero growth, not much investment coming into the country and how we are going through prime ministers at a rate of 18 months.

The media give him an easy ride for it due to their vested interests and the Tories being on their arses. They are all spinning the tale that he’s the person to fix the country. Maybe we need 5 years of this grifting c&nt in power to finally see him off as a politician.
He and Johnson wrecked the country with there lies and the stupid people laped it up and made one of them prime minister.
My take and that of many European people I know here in Spain the British are on the whole quite ignorant when it comes to politics.
The morning after the Brexit vote I had dozens of people ask me why.
My only answer was I don't know but glad I don't live there anymore
 
1) increase in state pension 2) the increase in the minimum wage 3) the employment rights bill 4) the rent reform act 5) the increase in pay for public servants.

6) They have said in public they want to introduce an insurance based healthcare system 7) remove our human rights 8) take control of the police and judiciary, 9) remove 'red tape' from business.


10) They have stated repeatedly they want a small state economy, and getting rid of unnecessary spending in wasteful areas like welfare and mental health support is an absolute priority for them.

11) They want concentration camps for people they don't like, and have plans to rewrite history lessons for our school children.

12) Free market capitalists with links to no end of like ninded people and press barons all wanting to pay less tax in support of neo liberal policies, and a few pictures of farage standing in a pub with a pint and fag in hand is enough to convince many he's 'one of us'.

I despair.
You strike me as someone that doesn’t actually listen to Reform beyond the surface and then make up your own reasons for why they have such policy.

And before I get into this, I am on record as saying their costed manifesto is pie in the sky stuff and Farage is dodgy Re his finances and is only in politics for his own gain. I also think his relationship with Trump should rule him out on its own.

However I want to add the actual real context to your points you’ve listed for people that won’t listen to what they’ve got to say.

1) They say we can’t afford to increase it right now and want to reduce the deficit.
2) With the jobs market on its arse, a further increase will make matters worse at this moment in time.
3) Same as point 2, people are taking the piss with long term sick pay leave and Reform view it as a further way employees can game the system, this won’t get the economy moving and Germany are rolling back their legislation too for the same reason. Germany are doing it to get their economy moving and that’s Reform’s view.
4) They see it as penalising landlords and just want return to what it has been previously, hardly extreme, it was the same and Reform want to do, for the last few decades.
5) Reform believe public servants get a better deal than the private sector already and we can’t afford it - see the deficit point above.
6) Not to replace the NHS, to allow high earning professionals to use the private healthcare service more to alleviate pressure.
7) They want to reform the human rights act and withdraw from the European Convention so illegal migrants that commit crimes can be deported, and at the moment we have literal rapists not being deported because they make false claims of persecution in their native countries by claiming they’ve converted to Christianity or that they’re LGBT, or that they have mental health problems, it’s nonsense.
8) They view the police and judiciary of being infected by left-wing ideology and want to change it back to a neutral state where the law is the only thing that matters.
9) To get the economy going, this doesn’t include allowing companies to poison the environment as you stated. Yusuf has said the environment will be protected.
10) To save money as the deficit is too high, a small state economy is also NOT fascism as you’ve pointed out.
11) 90% of first world countries, including most of our European neighbours, which includes Germany and France, have detention centres for illegals immigrants. They aren’t concentration camps and that choice of language is hysterical.
12) Again, free market capitalism isn’t fascism, it’s an opposing ideology.

This is merely the context behind their policies, based on what I’ve heard them say and why they’re doing it. It’s not an endorsement. There’s several of those points I don’t agree with.
 
The one policy he has shaped has been a total disaster for this country and why we are bobbing along with zero growth, not much investment coming into the country and how we are going through prime ministers at a rate of 18 months.
The media give him an easy ride for it due to their vested interests and the Tories being on their arses. They are all spinning the tale that he’s the person to fix the country. Maybe we need 5 years of this grifting c&nt in power to finally see him off as a politician.
If you asked a random 100 people who voted Brexit if the country was in a better or worse state than in 2016 I’ll hazard over 95 would say the latter.
 
If you asked a random 100 people who voted Brexit if the country was in a better or worse state than in 2016 I’ll hazard over 95 would say the latter.

We don’t have an adult conversation about it and when it does get brought up the people who voted for it bring up words like betrayal, the will of the people etc etc. A lot has changed since 2016, we encountered a pandemic that has decimated the public finances, a war in Europe that pushed up energy prices, a president in the White House actively hostile to the U.K. and NATO. At this moment in time with uncertainty in Washington and Moscow with its constant war mongering we need closer ties with Europe on trading and defence.

I can understand how people may have felt indifferent to being in the EU. I wondered how the Euro as a currency could reflect what’s going on in economy like Germany compared to a basket case one like Greece. And also how we had to bail them out in 2008. However the benefits of trade and defence out way the bad points. We could go back into the single market which is a much more palatable solution.
 
We don’t have an adult conversation about it and when it does get brought up the people who voted for it bring up words like betrayal, the will of the people etc etc. A lot has changed since 2016, we encountered a pandemic that has decimated the public finances, a war in Europe that pushed up energy prices, a president in the White House actively hostile to the U.K. and NATO. At this moment in time with uncertainty in Washington and Moscow with its constant war mongering we need closer ties with Europe on trading and defence.

I can understand how people may have felt indifferent to being in the EU. I wondered how the Euro as a currency could reflect what’s going on in economy like Germany compared to a basket case one like Greece. And also how we had to bail them out in 2008. However the benefits of trade and defence out way the bad points. We could go back into the single market which is a much more palatable solution.
Great post
 
If you asked a random 100 people who voted Brexit if the country was in a better or worse state than in 2016 I’ll hazard over 95 would say the latter.
It’s definitely worse, absolutely no question, and I’d guess there’s at least a significant chunk to do with Brexit but how much so, I wouldn’t be able to say. In between Brexit and now, we’ve had a global pandemic in which we locked down our entire economy almost, for a very significant length of time, borrowed a shit ton to pay the wages of the furlough scheme, causing significant inflation, have had several international conflicts that have caused global economic issues and several absolute charlatans running the country in the forms of Johnson, Truss and now Starmer, all three have negatively impacted the economy.

So yeah, Brexit has some blame at least, but there’s other factors as to why it’s wank right now.
 
You strike me as someone that doesn’t actually listen to Reform beyond the surface and then make up your own reasons for why they have such policy.

And before I get into this, I am on record as saying their costed manifesto is pie in the sky stuff and Farage is dodgy Re his finances and is only in politics for his own gain. I also think his relationship with Trump should rule him out on its own.

However I want to add the actual real context to your points you’ve listed for people that won’t listen to what they’ve got to say.

1) They say we can’t afford to increase it right now and want to reduce the deficit.
2) With the jobs market on its arse, a further increase will make matters worse at this moment in time.
3) Same as point 2, people are taking the piss with long term sick pay leave and Reform view it as a further way employees can game the system, this won’t get the economy moving and Germany are rolling back their legislation too for the same reason. Germany are doing it to get their economy moving and that’s Reform’s view.
4) They see it as penalising landlords and just want return to what it has been previously, hardly extreme, it was the same and Reform want to do, for the last few decades.
5) Reform believe public servants get a better deal than the private sector already and we can’t afford it - see the deficit point above.
6) Not to replace the NHS, to allow high earning professionals to use the private healthcare service more to alleviate pressure.
7) They want to reform the human rights act and withdraw from the European Convention so illegal migrants that commit crimes can be deported, and at the moment we have literal rapists not being deported because they make false claims of persecution in their native countries by claiming they’ve converted to Christianity or that they’re LGBT, or that they have mental health problems, it’s nonsense.
8) They view the police and judiciary of being infected by left-wing ideology and want to change it back to a neutral state where the law is the only thing that matters.
9) To get the economy going, this doesn’t include allowing companies to poison the environment as you stated. Yusuf has said the environment will be protected.
10) To save money as the deficit is too high, a small state economy is also NOT fascism as you’ve pointed out.
11) 90% of first world countries, including most of our European neighbours, which includes Germany and France, have detention centres for illegals immigrants. They aren’t concentration camps and that choice of language is hysterical.
12) Again, free market capitalism isn’t fascism, it’s an opposing ideology.

This is merely the context behind their policies, based on what I’ve heard them say and why they’re doing it. It’s not an endorsement. There’s several of those points I don’t agree with.
Re your Point 6. Where are these additional medical staff to come from without drawing resources from the NHS ?
 
It’s definitely worse, absolutely no question, and I’d guess there’s at least a significant chunk to do with Brexit but how much so, I wouldn’t be able to say. In between Brexit and now, we’ve had a global pandemic in which we locked down our entire economy almost, for a very significant length of time, borrowed a shit ton to pay the wages of the furlough scheme, causing significant inflation, have had several international conflicts that have caused global economic issues and several absolute charlatans running the country in the forms of Johnson, Truss and now Starmer, all three have negatively impacted the economy.

So yeah, Brexit has some blame at least, but there’s other factors as to why it’s wank right now.
There’s no doubt it far more nuanced than just Brexit, but it’s equally correct (and empirically provable) that Brexit has played a huge part in making things ‘worse’, immigration being a case in point.

My point was a fairly binary one though. They pretty much all will have voted Brexit in the expectation that things would have improved by now, some ten years later, but in almost every instance, subjectively speaking, they haven’t.
 
Re your Point 6. Where are these additional medical staff to come from without drawing resources from the NHS ?
I need to point out I don’t agree with point 6 just to make that clear, so I am not arguing for it. If I was Prime Minister, I would go the other way and minimise private health to and put more resources into the NHS.

Reform’s policy though, is based on the insurance system funding the additional resources, rather than taking from the NHS. If more high end professionals have more specific private medical insurance, that is funding the private sector, then in theory they believe that is where the resource will come from.
 
It is.

Google “Nigel Farage” and its headline news in the Guardian, Independent, BBC, LBC, Telegraph, Times etc.

It’s more the tone, the pressure, the aggression.

Like the Angela Rayner 40k thing where it felt like a rampaging witch hunt where there was a desperation for her to quit.

Yeah, it’s being reported, but it’s not really in the same way.
 

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