Electric cars

Next year I’ll be funding my own car(Currently in a company vehicle) and as there’s no football to watch, I’ve been wasting time looking at cars, lease, pcp and buying
One that seems cheap to lease is the electric Hyundai Ionic 6, but I’m confused over the battery range
Manufacturer claim is 323 and then supposed real world is 250/270. a video review says once you turn in the air con, heated seats etc, this drops to 200 and I get that. But I’ve also read that motorway driving reduces the range to less than 200 miles
Is that right and does it apply to all electric vehicles?
Check out ev-database.org, It gives a good indication of every electric cars range in varous conditions. Range drop off in colder weather effects all ev's some are better handling it than others and having a heat pump fitted helps. Done a few decent trips on the motorway and after watching loads of videos and changing the way I drive found the range I got was better than I expected
 
Next year I’ll be funding my own car(Currently in a company vehicle) and as there’s no football to watch, I’ve been wasting time looking at cars, lease, pcp and buying
One that seems cheap to lease is the electric Hyundai Ionic 6, but I’m confused over the battery range
Manufacturer claim is 323 and then supposed real world is 250/270. a video review says once you turn in the air con, heated seats etc, this drops to 200 and I get that. But I’ve also read that motorway driving reduces the range to less than 200 miles
Is that right and does it apply to all electric vehicles?
The 'manufacturer claim' is based on standard testing. Most you see will be the European WLTP version, but there's also a Chinese method that gives much higher figures and an American one which gives much lower.

They're all the same as the advertised mog figures - it's just a standardised way of doing it so you can compare vehicles, but your actual mpg is likely to be very different, but no one bothers because it's been easy to fill up with petrol or diesel

Whatever type of car, it'll be more efficient at a steady 40 than at 70. Similarly, stick the air con on in any car and it impacts efficiency as you're running a pump. The area where ICE cars have the advantage is in the cold, as you get the heat for 'free' because they're always creating it (even when you don't need it).

We've had our 2020 Kona for over 2 years and have averaged 4.2miles/kWh in that time, which means an average theoretical range of 270 miles from full to.empty. On a long return motorway journey in snow and heavy rain/standing water with heater on, the lowest I've seen is about 180 miles. In general usage, we'll see over 300 miles, but on individual journeys in the dry in reasonable conditions, say 15 degrees so no heater or Aircon, I've had over 5.5miles/kWh, which would mean about 350 miles.

As mentioned above, EV Database is a great resource for providing likely range in different scenarios. Because I knew we'd have a few long trips, I was interested in the highway cold range to make sure I could do reasonable distances without needing to charge and that put me off a lot of options.

In reality, it comes down to your expected usage and how and where you can charge. The vast majority of our charging is done at home, overnight. It therefore saves me a trip to a petrol station and, with current electric Vs local petrol prices, equates to around 800mog, which is ridiculous. We regularly do Manchester to Newcastle and back in a day (lad is at uni) and that requires some public charging, but the cost of those trips is no worse than it would be in a petrol or diesel and usually still less. If we do a few days away with longer driving, we'll have to fill up on the public network more and that will make those journeys more expensive than in an ICE car, but they happen a few times a year, so the extra £10 or £20 it might be overall doesn't bother me.

What I would say from your post, is if the real world range is 250, it wouldn't drop to 200 just from the heater or Aircon.
 
Thanks for all the answers
Next questions are, did you buy, lease or PCP and who fitted the charging point at your home?
If you funded it, how much was it?

I'm looking at leasing and when looking at the extra cost to lease an electric car and price to have a charging point installed, over three years there's very little savings to be made
 
Is that right and does it apply to all electric vehicles?
Yes and yes.

Optimum out-of-town driving cruising speed for most EV's is 54MPH.

So driving at speeds that are higher than that means that you will be getting sub-optimal performance in terms of range.

If you discount the manufacturers fantasy range figure by 70%, and if you also calculate how much +54MPH driving you will typically do, you will arrive at a more realistic range figure.

None of this is an issue - it's just a question of going into it well informed and with your eyes open.
 
Thanks for all the answers
Next questions are, did you buy, lease or PCP and who fitted the charging point at your home?
If you funded it, how much was it?

I'm looking at leasing and when looking at the extra cost to lease an electric car and price to have a charging point installed, over three years there's very little savings to be made
Had my local electrician install ours because we also had to sort out our consumer unit at the same time as it was not suitable for having a charger fitted. I bought ohme home pro off the internet and they fitted it in a couple of hours.

Think it would have been cheaper if my electricty supplier had installed it but I couldn't be doing with the hassle of having the electrician do his stuff then having to arrange octopus come in and install it.

If you are leasing some companies offer home charger as part of the package not sure if they still do but octopus energy were doing this last year when I was looking. Plus maybe worth speaking with the dealership as I know ford and I think volvo give it you free if you buy from them
 
Thanks for all the answers
Next questions are, did you buy, lease or PCP and who fitted the charging point at your home?
If you funded it, how much was it?

I'm looking at leasing and when looking at the extra cost to lease an electric car and price to have a charging point installed, over three years there's very little savings to be made
Just be aware if you have a funny setup then it will cost more because the free one only applies if it's a simple installation. You will usually have to do a video and take pics to show where you want the charger and they'll then work out from that whether it can actually be done for free or not.

I wanted the charger in our detached garage so that meant we were classed as a complex install. They gave us a quote which involved digging up the drive because the cable to the house apparently wasn't good enough and it was just crazy, about £1500 I remember. At no point did they actually come to the house to see if it was needed.

I got a second opinion and our electrician said none of this was needed and our cable was fine however we did need a new garage consumer unit. In the end I paid £850 for a Hypervolt all in so nearly half the price of the 'free' one... 4 years later I've never had a single problem charging.
 
My charger was installed quick and easy. The only issue being I was on a looped connection to next door. The process of unconnected took about 5 months in-between charger fitted. They had to come out and basically dig up the whole road as the mains connection was on the other side of the street. They were really quick and tidy. Digging up one side at a time so cars could still use the street. Then the route to my house went through neighbours garden so no real disruption. Luckily the neighbour had moved out by the time they come to do it so had an empty house and garden to mess.

I was told that the charger wouldn't run at full speed until I was separated from next door but it did. Think I was 80amp and they like you to be on 100amp.
 
Thanks for all the answers
Next questions are, did you buy, lease or PCP and who fitted the charging point at your home?
If you funded it, how much was it?

I'm looking at leasing and when looking at the extra cost to lease an electric car and price to have a charging point installed, over three years there's very little savings to be made
Bit of a cost update - we've just been up in the northeast for a few days and have done about 400 miles on a round trip, with two lots of public charging - one at a park and ride site whilst going into Durham and the other whilst getting a coffee on the way home. Total cost of public charging was just over £28 and it'll cost about £2 if I was to completely charge the car now we're back home. That works out at roughly the equivalent of 100mpg, which has surprised me, although the public charging was cheaper than at some stops, but even changing that to the most expensive we could have used would work out at >50mpg.

It was dry both ways on the motorway, which helps, and no heating but a few bits of Aircon, so possibly ideal conditions, but we were three people and a lot of luggage on the way back.

For the charger, think ours was around £750 but they all seem to be closer to £1000 now, looking at quotes, although some leases give you discounts. It is a big initial outlay, but assuming you'd stick with EVs and aren't planning on moving soon, you can add that into your calculation for pay back - based on current petrol prices, it's around 150 gallons, so maybe 8000 miles to get that cost back, plus the cost of your electric which will depend on your tariff.

We bought our EV second hand and haven't looked at leases for petrol or electric for a few years, so not sure how they compare. Our EV was around 4 years old and we'd have paid similar for a similar spec/sized petrol, so effectively no cost, as were changing the car anyway.
 
Not worth considering at my age, I do between 3 and 4k miles a year in a low emission car which costs £20 a year for vehicle tax. So far I just clocked up £28k after 8 years. What’s the incentive to switch to an EV?
 
Not worth considering at my age, I do between 3 and 4k miles a year in a low emission car which costs £20 a year for vehicle tax. So far I just clocked up £28k after 8 years. What’s the incentive to switch to an EV?
Unless you need or want another car, probably quite low. I'd guesstimate your fuel bills are around £500/yr, so that's all you'd save even if the electricity was free. When we had two cars and I did a similar mileage, I used the same man maths to decide I could have a really uneconomical car, because it didn't make a big cost difference.
 

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