PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Stoned Rose said:
Any confidence will be based on what he knows has gone on. Khaldoon will know if we’ve breached any rules. Like a shoplifting suspect knows if he’s shoplifted.

If you know you haven’t committed an offence you’re going to be extremely confident you aren’t getting convicted, no matter what the noise from the other side is.
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Chris in London said:
Not quite.

Lots of people have said that the charges would be difficult to sustain, especially the most serious ones, but with the caveat that we don’t know what evidence the PL are relying on.

Khaldoon DOES know what evidence they are relying on, and he has access to some of the best legal brains in the country. They will have reported in great detail on how the trial went. So our chairman is in an infinitely better position to be confident about the outcome than almost anyone else.

But until the decision is announced, that’s all it can be.
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Very good post, Chris. Thanks.
 
happy said:
I was listening to last weeks Off the Ball podcast from BBC Scotland earlier today. One of the guests was a chap that has set up an App to help football fans find places to meet to watch games if they are on holiday or out of town.

Anyway, the bloke said he is a Rangers fan but has a great big soft spot for City thanks to a bunch of mates that are very big Blues, and that he's been going to City games for years, even back to Maine Road days.

The minute he mentioned City, one of the presenters asked about the charges, opening with 'when are they getting punished?'

Absolutely no mention of guilt or innocence, just straight to the punishment.

In fairness, the strap line of the programme is 'the most petty and ill-informed show on radio.'
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Talksport is the same. There’s been three times over the past few weeks where I’ve turned it on and within 30 seconds they mention 115. That’s not even an exaggeration. The topics were about Southampton and they mention City and our “tainted” trophies.

The media isn’t prepared for the verdict to come out. It’s been programmed into every **** to think we are cheats. There’s going to be a lot of presenters, pundits and journalists who will have to be very careful. It’s like Tourette’s, they can’t help saying it.
 
Chris in London said:
Not quite.

Lots of people have said that the charges would be difficult to sustain, especially the most serious ones, but with the caveat that we don’t know what evidence the PL are relying on.

Khaldoon DOES know what evidence they are relying on, and he has access to some of the best legal brains in the country. They will have reported in great detail on how the trial went. So our chairman is in an infinitely better position to be confident about the outcome than almost anyone else.

But until the decision is announced, that’s all it can be.
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As always a voice of reason and knowledge.
 
Stoned Rose said:
Any confidence will be based on what he knows has gone on. Khaldoon will know if we’ve breached any rules. Like a shoplifting suspect knows if he’s shoplifted.

If you know you haven’t committed an offence you’re going to be extremely confident you aren’t getting convicted, no matter what the noise from the other side is.
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A lot of lads arrived behind bars or at the end of a rope after knowing they didn't commit an offence. Just saying.
 
Chris in London said:
Not quite.

Lots of people have said that the charges would be difficult to sustain, especially the most serious ones, but with the caveat that we don’t know what evidence the PL are relying on.

Khaldoon DOES know what evidence they are relying on, and he has access to some of the best legal brains in the country. They will have reported in great detail on how the trial went. So our chairman is in an infinitely better position to be confident about the outcome than almost anyone else.

But until the decision is announced, that’s all it can be.
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I don’t understand why people can’t accept the confidence is from knowing the case, and seeing it play out in front of the panel.

They’ll know how their arguments landed, how the oppositions case landed etc. by being in the room and hearing the judges question them and witnesses getting examined.

Pannick and co. Have been in enough court rooms to know if their arguments are landing or not.
 
Ric said:
I think you’re getting a bit carried away tbh. Even if/when we are cleared I think it’s highly unlikely that an operator like Khaldoon is going to “cut loose”, as you put it. I imagine he’d be scathing, of course, but diplomatic enough as to not completely destroy relationships with both the league and other clubs with which we will have to co-exist. You’d like to think he’d have Masters head on a spike at the very least though.
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bobbyowenquiff said:
It is interesting that not a single media group has found out why Tim Lewis and Levy quit their clubs. Or have just chosen not to publish it. Perhaps it is just a coincidence. It seems odd though.
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If we make an assumption that Lewis & Levy both resigned because of something that came out of our hearing then doesn't that suggest that something has been going on behind the scenes, and that we 'know' the outcome in broad terms?

Let's also assume our discovery process showed that Masters acted under pressure from certain clubs. That they went with just the paper-thin evidence that UEFA had, rather than because they had comprehensive evidence of guilt. That some clubs hadn't acted towards us in the utmost good faith required by PL rules.

I can't imagine we'd stand by and let bygones be bygones. We'd want blood. And I think this is maybe why the outcome has been delayed, to manage the fall-out.
 
Ban-jani said:
I genuinely think the situation is either of these four things and I no longer consider anything else:

1 - Khaldoon obviously knows City haven’t done it and he knows our legal team performed to the ability needed to prove that at the hearing. The result isn’t known but as City haven’t done it and our legal team have told him they’ve battered the Premier League in the hearing, he’s almost 100% confident, as close as can be without the result, and that’s why we’re full steam ahead and he’s bullish.

2 - All of the above had happened but there’s also been a nod from the panel to both parties which way it’s gone and that City are aware they’ve won big. The panel are just doing the write up but have been pulled into other things hence the delay.

3 - The full verdict was given to both parties already. It was so comprehensively favourable to City that MCFC now have the chance to do severe damage to not only the Premier League but other clubs who pushed this and manipulated the PL (we know which ones). The Premier League are negotiating with City to try and mitigate the damage MCFC now have at their disposal. City are initially cooperating to see what they can be offered, likely compensation, rule rewriting, protections from this crap happening again, additional powers within English football, certain executives from other clubs gone etc.

4 - Least likely but throwing this in there as it might explain the delay. City have won big on all the charges and the Premier League have appealed, the appeal is being done without the initial result being published. It has to be this way rather the other way around (City appealing a loss) because of how confident Khaldoon is and how the usual suspects haven’t leaked it in the press. Same situation as number 1 but only we’re now at appeal stage, City know they’ve not done it and know the PL have nothing. I don’t think this is the case as it’s outside of process and Pannick and co. were pictured coming in and out of the hearing in late 2024, I don’t think it gets past the press and I think even City leak if this was the case.
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It is a form of 1.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If we make an assumption that Lewis & Levy both resigned because of something that came out of our hearing then doesn't that suggest that something has been going on behind the scenes, and that we 'know' the outcome in broad terms?

Let's also assume our discovery process showed that Masters acted under pressure from certain clubs. That they went with just the paper-thin evidence that UEFA had, rather than because they had comprehensive evidence of guilt. That some clubs hadn't acted towards us in the utmost good faith required by PL rules.

I can't imagine we'd stand by and let bygones be bygones. We'd want blood. And I think this is maybe why the outcome has been delayed, to manage the fall-out.
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You really need to weave David Sullivan and Karen Brady into this fan fiction.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If we make an assumption that Lewis & Levy both resigned because of something that came out of our hearing then doesn't that suggest that something has been going on behind the scenes, and that we 'know' the outcome in broad terms?

Let's also assume our discovery process showed that Masters acted under pressure from certain clubs. That they went with just the paper-thin evidence that UEFA had, rather than because they had comprehensive evidence of guilt. That some clubs hadn't acted towards us in the utmost good faith required by PL rules.

I can't imagine we'd stand by and let bygones be bygones. We'd want blood. And I think this is maybe why the outcome has been delayed, to manage the fall-out.
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Those are some absolutely massive assumptions with no evidence behind them.
 
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