Otamendi

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

I think they will all get a chance. MDM will be the one to be phased out. Our owners know what they are doing whereas your glass is always half empty

It really isn't mate. I'm just disspointed for Denayer.

MDM should be the one phased out, but by all accounts it seems Denayer's going to get another loan, as he probably should do in fact with Otamendi to compete with for that backup spot. A year as 4th choice, with a similar amount of minutes that Boyata got last season, would not be good for his development.

It's not about being negative, it's about recognising every facet of a transfer, the ripple effect it will cause on the squad.

Otamendi has come pretty much out of left field. Seems to have been such for Denayer and his agent as well.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

I doubt the club would make any promises to anyone regarding play time, but going in to a season with a 35 year old and a 20 year old as third and fourth choice would be suicide.

Or you could say 35 year old demichelis has been our most consistant centre back the past two seasons and twenty year old denayer is one of the most promising young players in the league. hardly suicide

 

[ianw16]

I don't think we should be going overboard on Mangala just yet, either. I seem to remember he had a stormer early on against Chelsea last season, too. Within a few weeks people were saying we'd wasted our money. IF he continues like this, then we are very well covered in that position now. If he goes all kamikaze on us again, then we will be very glad of this signing. MD is aging and Denayer is unproven, and will need to be introduced slowly and surely. Signing had to be made, imo.

 

[geoff clipp]

Otamendi for Demichelis is not a like for like replacement from a squad set-up point of view. Demichelis is an old pro who doesn’t expect to play every week and wouldn’t kick up a fuss if he’s on the bench or in the stands. Otamendi will be a £30m signing who expects to play the majority of games, especially big games.

If you assume we’ll have 60 games in the season, our current squad might share them 40, 40, 20, 20 for Kompany, Mangala, Demichelis and Denayer. If Otamendi replaces Demichelis, the only way I can see us keeping our captain and two £30m signings happy is if they each get 40 games. One of them (Mangala?) will probably still be a bit pissed off as he’ll likely be left out of all the big games. This means zero game time for Denayer.

The only option for us really is to send him out on loan for at least a couple of years until Kompany possibly starts to decline. However, it has been widely assumed, based mainly on his agent’s comments (which admittedly may need to be taken with a pinch of salt), that he signed his new deal based on guarantees of first team football, so I can’t imagine he’ll be best pleased right now, and if I was him, I’d be looking for a permanent move.

Yes I definitely agree that balancing Otamendi, Mangala and Kompany will be tricky if we're to keep them all happy. And when you look at it like that, it probably does make it a little bit harder for Denayer whether he's ahead of Demichelis or not.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It also doesn't matter how old you are if you're not good enough. Yet.

How do you know he isn't good enough though ? Until he gets a chance in the first team for us we will never know

 

[daztrueblue91]

I could understand Denayer's frustration if Demichellis still had a few more seasons left in him. However, it's looking extremely likely that Demi will leave next season.

There is even the possibility that he could leave in January if Denayer proves himself. That leaves us with an extra space for a non-homegrown player.

Denayer is a big part of our future. He just needs to be patient.

 

[blue--boy123]

The clothing store was out of grey jeans and hoodies.

or a hoodie big enough to get over his head

 

[Centurions]

It must do, since it's still outstanding. Albeit nobody seems to know what the "final fee" is.

Not according to Guillem Balague: http://www.skysports.com/football/n...-city-medical-after-deal-agreed-with-valencia

"Valencia said that Otamendi has a €50m buy-out clause, but they managed to find common ground at €45m and there are no loan arrangements attached and it has no relation, either, to any money owed for Alvaro Negredo."

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

I find it hilarious just how utterly delusional they are now

I've been a blue for 40 years, a ST holder for 25. There's no question, when we were uncompetitive, we clutched at straws, like boasting about the height of our floodlights.

Conversely, it's united clutching at straws now. It started with 'the owner will get bored and walk away' - the building of the new complex seems to have made the penny finally drop for most reds now. Then it was 'you're buying the title' but after what they have spent under LVG, you rarely hear them using that one anymore. They still use the 'emptihad' despite the fact that most league games sell out and the only reason they get so many to the cups is it's compulsory for many ST holders there to buy cup tickets. Plus of course they've lost 10k ST holders a year for several years now and the waiting list has shrunk to almost nothing, compared to our growing waiting list

So now, they are suggesting that given equality everywhere else, a player would always choose them over us. Based on 'history'. They simply don't get it - apart from the fact players are more interested in making history than past history, if you were a player in Europe, with no particular affinity to either Manchester club, even if you call Utd 'Manchester' (I'm not remotely embarrassed about that but it seems rags get a huge rise out of that), why on earth would you choose them over us ?!? We are seen internationally as the club in the ascendancy, with 2 PL wins out of the last 4 years, a really harmonious dressing room, far more attractive football, far better facilities - on what basis is Utd more attractive ?

What's really amusing is the match thread on 'caf' when we beat Chelski. I was pleasantly staggered by the sheer number of their fans saying we play much more attractive football that they only dream of their own club playing, that we play football 'the right way', that they dream of having aguero & silva over any of their own players ......... if utd fans see that, why don't they get it's also what the overseas players see and it's what many of them want to be a part of ?

Excellent post.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I think MD will end up at NYCFC this window he as always said he would like to Finnish his career in the usa. he said so in that documentary of him not long after he joined city.

That's what I would now like to see happen. If Denayer struggled at cb we would still have Sagna who can play there.

Let Demi go.

 

[blue--boy123]

I've been told medical and interviews will be done tomorrow, presume the announcement will be late tomorrow afternoon.

Hmph, Love the signing but never understand the delay with these things, whens the deadline for him to be registered for sunday? (although I fully don't expect him to play)

 

[Severus]

DM is where I think he will play

also that's his initials :p

 

[schfc6]

If Denayer is 4th choice do you really think he'd get 20 games? Bearing in mind Boyata was 4th choice last season and he got maybe 2 or 3 games. If Kompany, Mangala and Otamendi stayed fit all season I don't think he'd make a single league appearance.

I would hope we would do better in the cups and make a better fist of our CL group. Boyata was such a drop down and clearly not in any plan to play him. 20 appearances is a big shout, be if he's of required quality then why not?

6 starts in cup games, 2 starts in the CL and 2 PL starts and 10 sub appearances.

Personally I beileve the quality of the 'big 3' will make it less of a gamble to give Denayer games.

At the moment and what I've seen I'd be happy with 2 of Denayer, Kompany, Mangala & Kompany starting 80% of our games.

I wouldn't want Boyata starting the CHESHIRE Senior Cup.

They key to what we seem to be building is a very strong first xi without the drastic drop off in replacements both in talent and suitability.

I'm discounting Demichellis as a 20 year old would be idiotic to base any decisions on a 34 year old with 9 months left on his deal.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I could understand Denayer's frustration if Demichellis still had a few more seasons left in him. However, it's looking extremely likely that Demi will leave next season.

There is even the possibility that he could leave in January if Denayer proves himself. That leaves us with an extra space for a non-homegrown player.

Denayer is a big part of our future. He just needs to be patient.

Even if Demi does leave he would still have 3 other CBS In front of him. Being 4th choice why would he want that ? He isn't to going to play ahead of them.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

If hazard fell out with sardine breath, would there be people moaning that it means our young attacking midfielders would be forgotten if we bid for him?

Bit different as I dont think lopes is any where near the first team unlike denayer.

Would be dissapointed if we signed another forward though to play as third striker instead of kelechi

 

[blueparrot]

So unless every 20 year old is world class, which barely any players ever have been they won't get a chance ?? May aswell close the academy now then. It take time for young players to get world class and if we had say sterling at a young age he would have never played if your opinion was right

No, thats not the case , the route from EDS to the first team will in 99% of cases be via loans to other teams, hardly any young player will be talented enough and strong enough to go fro U21 to a first team contender, the gap is too big. It's got to be better for a 20 year old to be playing regularly in a good league than sitting on the bench and playing the odd league cup game.

 

[Gareth Barry Manilow]

Hmph, Love the signing but never understand the delay with these things, whens the deadline for him to be registered for sunday? (although I fully don't expect him to play)

Midday Friday, I think

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

The message it sends is we are a world class club that will not settle for second best.

If you're good enough you will get the chance, simple and to help you we have invested over £200M in the best academy in football.

Too many on here think they should be given an easy ride into the first team.

clearly not the case

 

[blueinsa]

clearly not the case

Of course it is unless you honestly believe that Denayer should be in front of Vinny, Mangala, MDM or Otamendi right now?

No club of our stature playing in the competitions we are would have him in front of those 4 right now, none.

He will get his chance when he is deemed ready.

 

[bluetoby]

Anyone considered a 3 5 2 option ?