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I voiced my opinion for what it's worth earlier on with regards Denayer.

While I fully understand people's concerns over Denayer, surely the opportunity to sign one of Europe's top centre halves is too good to pass up?

Are those in the Denayer camp seriously suggesting that we don't sign this guy based on the following I'd call facts, others may call opinions.

1, Demichellis is turning 35 and has played an awful lot more football than even he would have expected. Surely months as opposed to seasons left in him at PL & CL level.

2, Denayer has just turned 20, recently sign a 5 year deal, has one season under his belt in a near amature league and is very young to be considered even a regular sub at our level. Talented though he is.

3, Mangala has been encouraging this season but looked far from the finished article last season. For all any of us know, he's a 'Hull away' from regressing back to the promising yet raw defender we had last year. Hopefully not and I doubt he will. I'm a Magala fan.

4, Kompany was patchy at best last season and his injuries were the type of recurring injuries that can quickly become chronic or performance effecting.

Above are four reasons I believe signing Otamendi was a obvious call. City could be wrong, I could be wrong.

But based on those four fairly common opinions from last season it would be a big gamble in my opinion to turn down an opportunity as good as this.

Kompany may have his best most consistent season to date, Mangala may continue to improve and Demichellis may show no signs of age. Denayer may prove to be the find of the season. I hope they do, but it's certainly a gamble and no 'given'.

What is a 'given', that come the end of the season Demichellis will be near 36 and out of contract and Denayer will still be 20.

Seems a good decission to me. Not a hard one either.
I don't think you are. This clamour for Denayer et al is born of the desire to emulate the rags and their myth of winning everything through their academy products while conveniently ignoring all the transfer records they broke to get there. Personally I hope we spend as much as we can on the worlds best players, win everything there is to win and rub every bastards nose in it.
 
Don't know why you think having Mangala on the bench is somehow funny.

No-one can blame Txiki or City for wanting to sort the defence out after last year, so buying Otamendi makes sense.

But the Mangala experiment has failed. You don't spend that much on a defender only to buy a replacement a year later.
 
So, has a fee been agreed officially then or what?

Sky Sports 'sources' say we have, but I don't trust them at all!

And the Valencia coach said when a fee's reached they'll announce it.

Are we jumping the gun slightly? Like KDB thread yesterday, but the other way around?
 
Don't know why you think having Mangala on the bench is somehow funny.

No-one can blame Txiki or City for wanting to sort the defence out after last year, so buying Otamendi makes sense.

But the Mangala experiment has failed. You don't spend that much on a defender only to buy a replacement a year later.

Who said we are replacing him?
 
I don't think you are. This clamour for Denayer et al is born of the desire to emulate the rags and their myth of winning everything through their academy products while conveniently ignoring all the transfer records they broke to get there. Personally I hope we spend as much as we can on the worlds best players, win everything there is to win and rub every bastards nose in it.

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correct !!
 
So, has a fee been agreed officially then or what?

Sky Sports 'sources' say we have, but I don't trust them at all!

And the Valencia coach said when a fee's reached they'll announce it.

Are we jumping the gun slightly? Like KDB thread yesterday, but the other way around?

I really do think you need to go into a dark room with no internet until 01 September
 
Who said we are replacing him?

Look I don't think Mangala is as crap as many did last year I could see potential. Often Vinny played more poorly.

However can you imagine the mirth that would be generated had Uniterd paid 32 million on a defender only to put him on the bench a year later.

It does not make economic sense. And I am sure it is not what City had in mind.
 
Getting dropped from the world cup squad by Argentina and going back to Brazil on loan for 6 months seems to have triggered some sort of attitude change in him. He was very good under AVB at Porto, then stagnated and fell out with the club which lead to 18 months playing well below potential before he was bought by Valencia and loaned to Atletico Miniero.

Since then he seems to have grown up. Not just in his playing style, but also appearance. He's gone from clean shaven kid with one or two small tattoos to big beard, full sleeves etc. He looks like a completely different person, and he's playing like a much better player.

Thanks for that info. Sounds like he's going to be a success for us.
 
I don't think you are. This clamour for Denayer et al is born of the desire to emulate the rags and their myth of winning everything through their academy products while conveniently ignoring all the transfer records they broke to get there. Personally I hope we spend as much as we can on the worlds best players, win everything there is to win and rub every bastards nose in it.
No it isn't.
 
I don't think you are. This clamour for Denayer et al is born of the desire to emulate the rags and their myth of winning everything through their academy products while conveniently ignoring all the transfer records they broke to get there. Personally I hope we spend as much as we can on the worlds best players, win everything there is to win and rub every bastards nose in it.

Not exactly against your point but a couple of Mancunians from our youth setup being involved would make world domination that much sweeter
 
Look I don't think Mangala is as crap as many did last year I could see potential. Often Vinny played more poorly.

However can you imagine the mirth that would be generated had Uniterd paid 32 million on a defender only to put him on the bench a year later.

It does not make economic sense. And I am sure it is not what City had in mind.

not quite 32m, but luke shaw benched and dropped in his first season?

anyway MP says mangala will be playing.
 
Looking at his stats it seems he has been a late developer. His international career only really taking off over the last year.

From the City angle having spent 32 mill on a CB last year we weren't expecting to shell out the same amount a year later. Admission that Mangala has been a failure?
Nah! Just proactiveness since Demi won't be around for much longer. See what the chavs are facing in the hands of everton because they are desperate for a decent center back. Quality ones are not usually available at the snap of your fingers
 
Look I don't think Mangala is as crap as many did last year I could see potential. Often Vinny played more poorly.

However can you imagine the mirth that would be generated had Uniterd paid 32 million on a defender only to put him on the bench a year later.

It does not make economic sense. And I am sure it is not what City had in mind.

I think this view is somewhat outdated.

To compete to win in 4 competitions, we need proper cover for each and every player on the park.

I expect each of Kompany/Mangala/Otamendi to get lots of playing time during the course of the next 9 months, and either DeMichelis or Denayer to be there as a back up option if needed.
 
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