Rony Lopes

[twosips]

When we have a "kid" that is likely to become a superstar then surely the club will recognise it. Who is refusing to sign contracts ?

If you mean Lopes then the club have deemed him not good enough for the first team squad and he didnt want to sign without guarantees. Getting decent money for him seems to me the best for both club and player.

But we do have kids that have the ability to become superstars.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I disagree with their assumptions about why he hasn't signed a new contract. I said back in March he wouldn't be playing for City again.
I also disagree with the false assumption that we somehow conned Denayer into agreeing a contract. Just as I also disagree with the shit stirrer who has been laying false claims across two threads about our youngsters have had enough.

Well I would love to imagine it's not true but I'm convinced it absolutely is.

 

[dasblues]

And unfortunately we will lose a load of talent to other clubs if we do it like that. I'm really shocked & disappointed by this as I bought into the stuff they said 100%.

I hope it's just down to Pellegrini being scared but if it's not, there is no point in those of us who wafch the kids teams, bothering.

I guess the majority of fans are indifferent to whether or not we have an active policy to bring youth players into the first team

I'm not one of those, I take almost as much enjoyment reading threads in the academy forum and reading about the potential that is bubbling under the first team as I do the main forum.

It's fantastic to see a kids career develop from start to finish, and to see that with your own club must be twice as good.

The sad fact is as a city fan I have never experienced that..

 

[Clevers]

His agent saying press to the that they told him they weren't going to sign a new CB and making assurances he'd be involved, then signing Otamendi...how about that?

Well if they made that promise they would be stupid. LOL don't sign a top La Liga player when the chance arises.

 

[squirtyflower]

Well I would love to imagine it's not true but I'm convinced it absolutely is.

But the issue is mate is that you are imagining, and you have convinced yourself it's all rotten to the core.
I've been adamant for a while Lopes wouldn't make it, and I got jumped on back then.
I'm surprised at how much Denayer has come on this season, and I would have been happier to see him stay and DeMichelis go, but the fact that that did happen doesn't make the youth policy either embarrassing or disgusting or rotten to the core as some hysterical posters are making out.

I'm bowing out now as the arguments are going round in circles and are hardly based on either knowledge or facts but assumptions and wishes.

 

[twosips]

I disagree with their assumptions about why he hasn't signed a new contract. I said back in March he wouldn't be playing for City again.
I also disagree with the false assumption that we somehow conned Denayer into agreeing a contract. Just as I also disagree with the shit stirrer who has been laying false claims across two threads about our youngsters have had enough.

But we did con him into a new contract. We said one thing, then did another. How is that not lying to him?

 

[80s Shorts]

I am not suggesting they should be thrown in at the deep end at all! I'm suggesting easing them in as they ARE good enough! But we dont even do that. Garcia, Ambrose, Barker, Bryan, Gunn, Celina, Byrne, Ntcham, Angelino, Maffeo, Boadu etc etc...ANY of them should have made their debut in a cup game last season cos they simply deserved for the results, performances and football they played in the academy games last season. They all did better than Pozo, yet he was thrown in as a desperate last resort! But we didn't, and we never do. THAT'S what im suggesting. Fair integration...not fucking nowt ever.

What you are suggesting is that you are better qualified than the management and coaching staff as to whether one of the youngsters is suitable for progression into the 1st team. It will happen, but to romanticise about half a team of players that have progressed through the academy is a little unrealistic imo.

 

[Neville Kneville]

When we have a "kid" that is likely to become a superstar then surely the club will recognise it. Who is refusing to sign contracts ?

If you mean Lopes then the club have deemed him not good enough for the first team squad and he didnt want to sign without guarantees. Getting decent money for him seems to me the best for both club and player.

70% of the squad are not 'superstars'! Why do the kids have to be ?

People keep saying this & also that they have to be better than the current players to be worth using. Both ideas are nonsense. Nor are people demanding for them to start all the time. Just be slowly introduced to do a job in the squad, that's all.

 

[twosips]

Well if they made that promise they would be stupid. LOL don't sign a top La Liga player when the chance arises.

But they did say it. So thats all that matters regardless of what you think. It happened...City said they trust him, and then went behind his back and proved they didn't really...yet. It's shite.

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

I want us to develop kids through our academy as much as the next guy. However, I'll put my trust in the guys at the top to see it happen and know it's important to our owners, who haven't let us down yet.

At the end of the day, the top kids will make it. Let's just enjoy the fantastic team we have on the pitch and let the Head of the academy worry about player development.

The U16s are clearly the ones to watch/wait for.

 

[Neville Kneville]

But the issue is mate is that you are imagining, and you have convinced yourself it's all rotten to the core.
I've been adamant for a while Lopes wouldn't make it, and I got jumped on back then.
I'm surprised at how much Denayer has come on this season, and I would have been happier to see him stay and DeMichelis go, but the fact that that did happen doesn't make the youth policy either embarrassing or disgusting or rotten to the core as some hysterical posters are making out.

I'm bowing out now as the arguments are going round in circles and are hardly based on either knowledge or facts but assumptions and wishes.

No I'm going on what Denayer's agent has said all along & what I predicted.

 

[Clevers]

But they did say it. So thats all that matters regardless of what you think. It happened...City said they trust him, and then went behind his back and proved they didn't really...yet. It's shite.

You were in the meeting?

 

[Neville Kneville]

I want us to develop kids through our academy as much as the next guy. However, I'll put my trust in the guys at the top to see it happen and know it's important to our owners, who haven't let us down yet.

At the end of the day, the top kids will make it. Let's just enjoy the fantastic team we have on the pitch and let the Head of the academy worry about player development.

The U16s are clearly the ones to watch/wait for.

No mate they're not, because some of these lads are already seriously good & if they can't get a game then neither will the current U16s when they get older.

The time is here now. We have the players. We aren't trying to use them, even for 5 mins.

 

[squirtyflower]

But we did con him into a new contract. We said one thing, then did another. How is that not lying to him?

Apart from the ramblings of his gobby buffoon of an agent do you have that based on any discernible evidence or fact? If not it's an assumption and I refer you to my post above.

Have a good evening gentlemen

 

[80s Shorts]

But we do have kids that have the ability to become superstars.

That is a matter of opinion and I go back to what I said to you earlier. The club will not under any circumstances compromise the first team by giving the kids a chance.

IMO the academy will likely throw up a first team player every 3 or 4 years if we are lucky. The rest will have been trained, coached and educated at a world class facility
and will be sold at a profit and go on to have productive football careers.

I think we are very lucky to be in this position.

 

[twosips]

What you are suggesting is that you are better qualified than the management and coaching staff as to whether one of the youngsters is suitable for progression into the 1st team. It will happen, but to romanticise about half a team of players that have progressed through the academy is a little unrealistic imo.

Fucks sake man. I'm not being romantic. I'm just imagining two or three making their debut in the carling cup! What is so wrong about that? Are you seriously suggesting that if im not a coach i cant tell a good player from a bad one? Are none of us allowed opinions on football then unless we work in football? I'm not suggesting im better qualified, im suggesting they're getting it wrong.

"It will happen"...what makes you think it will and why?? And also thats hugely contradictory with the following sentence too.

You were in the meeting?

So you think both denayer and his agent are lying?

 

[Neville Kneville]

You were in the meeting?

Instead of accusing everyone of fantasising why not assume that it was likely true that Denayer's agent, after saying he wanted some assurances, got them ?

I predicted that Denayer would walk out if we signed Otanendi. Why ? Because he is Belgium's cb & is not a City fan. Why stay when he can play full time in another league on senior wages & end up at somewhere like Real Madrid ?

 

[Otamendi's Beard]

No mate they're not, because some of these lads are already seriously good & if they can't get a game then neither will the current U16s when they get older.

The time is here now. We have the players. We aren't trying to use them, even for 5 mins.

Well the investment in the CFA says it is.

The timing is always going to be difficult as we want to win everything.

I think Iheanacho, Barker, Roberts and Maffeo are all good enough and will get minutes this season.

 

[twosips]

Apart from the ramblings of his gobby buffoon of an agent do you have that based on any discernible evidence or fact? If not it's an assumption and I refer you to my post above.

Have a good evening gentlemen

Denayer said he'D not stay if he wasn't assured first team football too prior to signing. He clearly was, hence why he signed a few days later. His agents quotes were totally fine and quite respectable actually... Not really gobby at all.

And of course I don't have 100% actual evidence - how the fuck would I? I can just make a very very informed guess based on quotes and clear actions from the club, the player and his agent. It's really not hard to work out.

 

[Clevers]

Fucks sake man. I'm not being romantic. I'm just imagining two or three making their debut in the carling cup! What is so wrong about that? Are you seriously suggesting that if im not a coach i cant tell a good player from a bad one? Are none of us allowed opinions on football then unless we work in football? I'm not suggesting im better qualified, im suggesting they're getting it wrong.

"It will happen"...what makes you think it will and why?? And also thats hugely contradictory with the following sentence too.



So you think both denayer and his agent are lying?

I have no way of judging one way or the other. Could be a question of interpretation but I would be surprised if any club would ever say that they wouldn't sign a player.