Discussion: Manuel Pellegrini 2015/16

[Utter bobbins]

Not often you win 4-1 and still shake your head at the manager. Its criminal the way he neglects youth

Are they not playing tomorrow

 

[super_city_si]

yes im nitpicking. His team selection was excellent. Just a shame to waste a perfect opportunity to give a young player some expericence

 

[MCFC1993]

Not often you win 4-1 and still shake your head at the manager. Its criminal the way he neglects youth

Got to disagree, it can be frustrating but we have 2 sets of first teamers. Failing to play fringe players or players battling for a first team spot will lead to bad morale and tension that the manager won't want which is what we had under Mancini in his final year.

 

[Blue Smarties]

It's a results business and he/we got a result.

Then why do our board and owners continue with the holistic shit if we ain't fucked about youth. Something has to give.

 

[mosssideblue]

Not often you win 4-1 and still shake your head at the manager. Its criminal the way he neglects youth

Are you for real?. Great team selection, great result and you still want to moan .

 

[super_city_si]

It's a results business and he/we got a result.

Got to disagree, it can be frustrating but we have 2 sets of first teamers. Failing to play fringe players or players battling for a first team spot will lead to bad morale and tension that the manager won't want which is what we had under Mancini in his final year.

Come on, he brought on a 34 yr old who has played the last 3 or 4 games. I'm sure DeMichelis is man enough to not mind if he doesnt get 5 minutes v Hull

 

[blinkblue]

10 mins left. 3 nil up. Wants to bring Silva off.

On the bench you have a) Demichellis, a centre back who probably won't even be playing for us next season. Or b) Garcia, a Silva-esque youngster who could go on to play for us for over a decade if given minutes to assess him ability on the big stage.

What do you do?

 

[Utter bobbins]

Come on, he brought on a 34 yr old who has played the last 3 or 4 games. I'm sure DeMichelis is man enough to not mind if he doesnt get 5 minutes v Hull

The U21 have an important match tomorrow

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Come on, he brought on a 34 yr old who has played the last 3 or 4 games. I'm sure DeMichelis is man enough to not mind if he doesnt get 5 minutes v Hull

As i've said on another thread. What benefit to the payer or team does 6 minutes give any of the youth players.
If Manuel thinks they can do the job required, they will get time. See Kelechi.

 

[super_city_si]

As i've said on another thread. What benefit to the payer or team does 6 minutes give any of the youth players.
If Manuel thinks they can do the job required, they will get time. See Kelechi.

6 minutes first team action in a competitive game will give the youth player a huge boost. Lets face it, they're not likely to get any more time than that.

 

[super_city_si]

anyway, as I said earlier, I'm guilty of nit-picking after what was a good win and an excellent team selection from Manuel.

 

[schfc6]

6 minutes first team action in a competitive game will give the youth player a huge boost. Lets face it, they're not likely to get any more time than that.

You seem to keep ignoring the EDS have a big game tomorrow. They play Athletico Bilbao in the Intercontinental Cup.
If you're going to be so desperate to moan, at least know what you're moaning about.

 

[Cobra]

You seem to keep ignoring the EDS have a big game tomorrow. They play Athletico Bilbao in the Intercontinental Cup.
If you're going to be so desperate to moan, at least know what you're moaning about.

Why is that a big game? None of these youngsters are getting anywhere near the first team squad with Pellegrini in charge so what difference does it make?

 

[schfc6]

Why is that a big game? None of these youngsters are getting anywhere near the first team squad with Pellegrini in charge so what difference does it make?

Who scored the second goal tonight? Did you see the bench vs Juve? There's been youth involved in nearly ever squad he's picked, often two or three.
As I say, if people are going to moan, know what you're moaning about.

What 'fans' like you don't seem to understand, we have a incredibly expensive and well paid first team to keep happy.

Why is defending the Intercontinental a Cup a big game? Why is five minutes in a dead game important in the slightest? What do YOU think would be more beneficial for Garcia? 4 minutes vs Hull or 90 against strong opposition in an international cup with his own team?

Have you read the Pellegrini thread? One minute he's a useless incompetent idiot for playing Fernando & Ya Ya, next minute the same fans want George Evans playing.

He is under great pressure to keep 20+ senior pros happy. Not only happy but motivated, keep the fitness up and their value. If one or two teenagers get a chance too, then that is great. Iheanacho has made the step up, yet it seems most fans think the best thing for us to do is bin Bony off for him. Not sure how many on here are employed at management level, but binning off a £25 million acquisition in favour a kid after a handful of games would be considered gross mismanagement.

Out of interest how many youth players do we want in? I personally want the ones good enough. Iheanacho is good enough, guess what? He plays.

Our fans are as bad if not worse than the media for putting pressure on Pellegrini. It's rare he gets any praise. Tonight being an example, wins 4-1 and fans think a kid who's already played with first team, scored for the first team would benefit more in a dead game for 5 minutes than a very competitive and rewarding game at his own level.

Kelechi will be a star, is getting games, others will follow.

 

[Silva_Spell]

Pellegrini got everything spot on tonight

apart from the Demichelis sub.

Don't see the point of not putting on another youngster at that point when the game is basically over

 

[Silva_Spell]

Our fans are as bad if not worse than the media for putting pressure on Pellegrini. It's rare he gets any praise. Tonight being an example, wins 4-1 and fans think a kid who's already played with first team, scored for the first team would benefit more in a dead game for 5 minutes than a very competitive and rewarding game at his own level.

10 mins not 5, but, that aside, can't he do both? It's not really an either-or situation, is it?

Why couldn't Humphreys come on and sit infront of the back 4 for 10 mins? What does Demi get out of it other than a shower?

 

[schfc6]

10 mins not 5, but, that aside, can't he do both? It's not really an either-or situation, is it?

Why couldn't Humphreys come on and sit infront of the back 4 for 10 mins? What does Demi get out of it other than a shower?

I doubt they would consider both. What would Humphreys get out of 5-10 minutes of non competitive football? A debut? I'm sure he'll get one of those. Has anyone considered that these kids might want to earn their debuts? Rather than be given a token 5 minutes here or there regardless based purely on age. This isn't cubs, players get games based on ability.

Txiki seems to like a different system for youth than most on here seem to. From what I know of his time at Barcelona, players earn their start, spending months around the first team, learning the system, the style. The level of commitment it takes to make it.
What many seem to be suggesting is 'just toss them, give them a chance' well that method has been tried and failed. Barcelona have their young players in and around the first team for months, minutes here, minutes there, becoming and feeling established in the squad. Trusted by their seniors. Then when needed they are ready. I doubt all this expense in both money and recruitment of staff and young talent has been laid out just to 'give em a go'.

Some of our fans need to realise what they think best, is most probably pretty fucking far from what those that matter think. Fans want to blame Pellegrini, those fans have a very basic understanding of how we are ran. Do our fans really think that the club have invested all this money, brought in a director and chief exec with a history of incredible youth development to be over ruled by Pellegrini. The tail doesn't wag the dog. Not at City.

 

[Danamy]

10 mins not 5, but, that aside, can't he do both? It's not really an either-or situation, is it?

Why couldn't Humphreys come on and sit infront of the back 4 for 10 mins? What does Demi get out of it other than a shower?

Win bonus?

 

[Silva_Spell]

I doubt they would consider both. What would Humphreys get out of 5-10 minutes of non competitive football? A debut? I'm sure he'll get one of those. Has anyone considered that these kids might want to earn their debuts? Rather than be given a token 5 minutes here or there regardless based purely on age. This isn't cubs, players get games based on ability.

Txiki seems to like a different system for youth than most on here seem to. From what I know of his time at Barcelona, players earn their start, spending months around the first team, learning the system, the style. The level of commitment it takes to make it.
What many seem to be suggesting is 'just toss them, give them a chance' well that method has been tried and failed. Barcelona have their young players in and around the first team for months, minutes here, minutes there, becoming and feeling established in the squad. Trusted by their seniors. Then when needed they are ready. I doubt all this expense in both money and recruitment of staff and young talent has been laid out just to 'give em a go'.

Some of our fans need to realise what they think best, is most probably pretty fucking far from what those that matter think. Fans want to blame Pellegrini, those fans have a very basic understanding of how we are ran. Do our fans really think that the club have invested all this money, brought in a director and chief exec with a history of incredible youth development to be over ruled by Pellegrini. The tail doesn't wag the dog. Not at City.

I'm talking precisely about "minutes here, minutes there". If you can't do it when you're 3-0 up against Hull in the League Cup with 10 mins to go I don't know when you can do it.

What Pellegrini thinks matters more but it doesn't mean that what he thinks is correct. You can bet your last wank that Pep would be testing (it's not about just chucking them in) more youth players

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

good win, should have brought Garcia or Humphreys on, but we'll never win that battle.