Two faced city fans

[Marvin]

Its not bollocks though its common sense. You may prefer it not to be like that in an ideal world but it is. I cant go to an away match, in the away end, shout my gob off and then whilst Im getting my head stoved in say to myself "it shouldnt be like this". Well I could do, but then a big part of me would think "but why did i shout my gob off". We have all been to loads of away games in the wrong end, wanting to celebrate, but if you've got one, your brain kicks in and you think "I'll leave it till later". Its just common sense really.

It might well be common sense, but only because you know that there are idiots around who can't handle it

 

[Newman Noggs]

Yes I'm aware of that, but surely there is some way of determining who is buying the tickets. I know it's something that has been questioned before as many non-city fans have managed to get tickets in our end home and away. If it was just a couple of fans in that block that had bought tickets then fair enough, but it was 40 or so fans in one corner right next to the away fans. And as stated above by ninjamonkey, they were all wearing colours, and weren't hiding the fact that they were away fans, they simply shouldn't have been allowed to get in.

I was in 118 with plenty of BMG fans around who were polite and well-behaved. The biggest twat on view was a neanderthal City fan, face contorted with rage, threatening three decent lads who had the temerity to moderately celebrate their equaliser.

I'm not sure what the club is supposed to do. I think they may have expected ticket sales to home fans in the home end to have been better than they were and therefore to have left little room for problems. I wonder what the reaction would have been if the club had tried to move home fans in the South Stand to accommodate the larger away following. Not too compliant I suspect. Either way, the situation being as it was, it passed off relatively quietly and most of the affected home fans behaved with decorum and grace.

 

[JWP1926]

I sit in 115 and saw it all. I've got no problem if you sit in our end, don't really care if you celebrate it's only natural that a fan does cheer a goal, but as soon as you put two fingers up and start giving it the big un' you deserve anything you get back.

 

[Trolleyhead]

It might well be common sense, but only because you know that there are idiots around who can't handle it

Correct, although if a home fan didn't respond to me sat next to him and hurling abuse at him and his team, Id also think that maybe he should watch it at home.

 

[Shirley]

Seems the club are more concerned with shifting tickets than the safety of City fans. Maybe EUFA will have something to say on it now.

 

[Blue Punter]

No chance mate. I consider abusive insults against England, my football team, and threats to my wellbeing after the game to be just a tad disrespectful and provocative. You obviously had a better class of fan near you, great. But please don't sneer at those of who didn't, and decided to give it back both barrels. Yeah, Ive been away plenty too thanks and on the whole our fans have been class.

Where am I "Sneering" exactly?

I've said I can only speak of the fans who were sat around me, who were passionate but respectful.

As for you doing plenty of European aways and not witnessing any anti social behaviour from City fans, you're either:-

1. Very, very fortunate to have avoided it.
2. Being economical with the truth to substantiate your argument.

Either way, I'll stand by my original comment. When it comes to an opponent celebrating a goal, from my experience Austrians, Germans & Spanish etc are more tolerant than the English.

 

[Trolleyhead]

I honestly don't get the fuss. They sat in our end, gave it out big style, we gave it back with bonuses, we loved the last ten minutes, they left with tails between their legs. We can debate whether they should have behaved better, what the club did wrong etc etc but come on fellas it was brilliant !! One of the best nights in a long time.

 

[Uwe`s Grandad]

If they are away fans ( regardless of the completion ) and stewards realise this then they should be escorted out of the stadium.
I don't care about people on here saying they were doing no harm and blaming city fans for being aggressive.
If they are not there, or keep a low profile , there is no problem .
segregated areas for home and away fans are not there for the fun of it. about 20 stewards doing a makeshift segregation area at the bottom ( for about 20 BMG fans) of the south stand . is not acceptable. They should have been kicked out .
Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't bother anyone else . All you pc fuckers with you're new views on how football grounds should be , had better remember that there is still a very large element of fans that have been going since the seventies and eighties and certain things are not accepted .
The club is lucky in the fact that most of the annoyed blues realise that the ground is full of cameras otherwise it could turn really nasty

 

[JWP1926]

posted about this in the psot match thread but it's more appropriate here. I sit in 114 next to the barrier it was completely surrounded by gladbach fans and as city fans moved over to 115 more gladbach fans appeared in 114. there was 6 of us that refused to move and stayed in our seats completely surrounded by gladbach fans and second half ended up in the makeshift away end as police and stewards blocked off the stairs at 114/115.

The police told us to move, we refused, they agreed we shouldn't have to move and they were not going to force us but basically said you're on your own if it kicks off around you. The most ridiculous thing was stopping them from climbing over to the away side at halftime, that's all they wanted to do but police let them. Spoke to several stewards at the barrier at halftime they all agreed with me when i said surely it's best to have them over there than in the home end with the most vocal fans but people higher up had said no and were trying to figure out a plan.

Have to say, for those moaning about the Gladbach fans, There was no antagonising near me, they simply joined in with their teams songs and had no interest in other people or causing trouble. I went absolutely mental when we went ahead, screaming in their faces and not a single one around me even remotely threatened to kick off with me. They were all very pleasant.

It kicked off when they scored because of city fans not gladbach, understandable considering they were in our end but i blame the pathetic organisation and security from City, the stewards and the police rather than the fans themselves. was also a lot city fans launching bottles and other things into 114, i know because i had to dodge most of them.


Most of them were wearing gladbach merchandise how the hell were they allowed entry into the home end in the first place when they are not even trying to hide the fact they are away fans?

when they equalised some of that small group at the front of 115 started to mock the city fans in the same stand, that was always going to get a reaction. I don't agree with city fans taking the bait but it was stupid from a few young gladbach fans to take the piss.

The organisation was piss poor and I think that's what annoyed a lot of the fans more.

 

[Trolleyhead]

Where am I "Sneering" exactly?

I've said I can only speak of the fans who were sat around me, who were passionate but respectful.

As for you doing plenty of European aways and not witnessing any anti social behaviour from City fans, you're either:-

1. Very, very fortunate to have avoided it.
2. Being economical with the truth to substantiate your argument.

Either way, I'll stand by my original comment. When it comes to an opponent celebrating a goal, from my experience Austrians, Germans & Spanish etc are more tolerant than the English.

Given your obvious disdain for City fans maybe start supporting an Austrian, German or Spanish club ? Sounds like you'd enjoy it more.

 

[southstander93]

I was in 118 with plenty of BMG fans around who were polite and well-behaved. The biggest twat on view was a neanderthal City fan, face contorted with rage, threatening three decent lads who had the temerity to moderately celebrate their equaliser.

I'm not sure what the club is supposed to do. I think they may have expected ticket sales to home fans in the home end to have been better than they were and therefore to have left little room for problems. I wonder what the reaction would have been if the club had tried to move home fans in the South Stand to accommodate the larger away following. Not too compliant I suspect. Either way, the situation being as it was, it passed off relatively quietly and most of the affected home fans behaved with decorum and grace.

Like I said I've got no issue with away fans buying tickets in the home end, but they probably shouldn't sell them in the 'singing section' for one, and the away fans shouldn't celebrate like mad and start giving two fingers to the blues around them. If they were polite and well behaved like the ones around you in 118 then I would say fair play they did nothing wrong and blues were sore losers (at that point). But they weren't, I'm assuming it was down to them being so close to their own fans and feeling more comfortable giving it the big'un, cause they stopped goading us when a few handbags were swung.

I think it's an issue the club should research, like you said it probably wouldn't go down well having to move home fans to accommodate more away fans in the CL, much like in the cup. But if it's going to happen again in the future, it's definitely something that needs to be organised better.

 

[Trolleyhead]

If they are away fans ( regardless of the completion ) and stewards realise this then they should be escorted out of the stadium.
I don't care about people on here saying they were doing no harm and blaming city fans for being aggressive.
If they are not there, or keep a low profile , there is no problem .
segregated areas for home and away fans are not there for the fun of it. about 20 stewards doing a makeshift segregation area at the bottom ( for about 20 BMG fans) of the south stand . is not acceptable. They should have been kicked out .
Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't bother anyone else . All you pc fuckers with you're new views on how football grounds should be , had better remember that there is still a very large element of fans that have been going since the seventies and eighties and certain things are not accepted .
The club is lucky in the fact that most of the annoyed blues realise that the ground is full of cameras otherwise it could turn really nasty

Uwe - It sounds like some of those on here buy half and half scarves at derby matches :)

 

[ninjamonkey]

Must have been a very strange situation. I was sat on the halfway line and I could see you mixed in together. Was waiting for it to go off after the goals. Really it could have been a lot lot worse. Really stewards should have known what was going to happen and segregated the groups

A pity City fans didn't buy those seats because they missed a great night

It was very very surreal. I'm glad we stayed though, 6 of us celebrating in what had become the away end was one of those nights you don't forget. Strange to celebrate on our own with the rest of the city fans in the next block over.

The police and stewards were well aware of the situation before the game but had no clue what to do. I was literally told that by more than one steward and several police officers. Could hear them talking amongst themselves trying to sort out what to do, i kept hearing them suggest clearing a space in the third tier for them all, like that was ever a legitimate option mid-game. All they had to do was let them in the away end, there was a big space at the front for them to go stand as a steward said to me and the rest would squeeze in and stand on the steps seeing as they had no problem doing that in our end. Total disregard for fans safety not allowing that to happen.

We, or more importantly, City are extremely lucky they were a very nice set of fans and there was no rivalry. If it were a more notorious side like a Roma it would of got very very nasty and City would be in serious trouble for allowing so many away fans into the home end. The distinct lack of police would of been worrying if it had kicked off. When there was a few handbags after their goal, i counted 4 police and a handful at the barrier, how are 4 police officers expected to contain what could easily have become full blown carnage? The stewards stayed well away and had no intention of getting in the middle of it (can't really blame them in that regard) It's a good job there was no alcohol and the fact that half of the usual singing section in the south stand hadn't turned up.

You're right with the last bit too. I was more baffled by how many Gladbach fans had taken up someone elses seat in 114 rather than how many of them were in our end

when they equalised some of that small group at the front of 115 started to mock the city fans in the same stand, that was always going to get a reaction. I don't agree with city fans taking the bait but it was stupid from a few young gladbach fans to take the piss.

The organisation was piss poor and I think that's what annoyed a lot of the fans more.

Can't claim i had a view of every single gladbach fan so maybe there was a few but being in the middle of them, all i saw were gladbach fans celebrating and cheering their goal and had no real interest in goading. I understand that would annoy city fans when they're in our end, and believe me, it annoyed me too, but that's not a reason to start kicking off with them. I saw a few gladbach fans rush over to try and defuse the situation and they were calling the police over to deal with it, something the police just completely ignored. From what i saw it was City fans that instigated it. Not that i'm blaming them. As i said, i blame City, the stewards and the police. People surely have to lose their job over this. The fact nobody was seriously injured is purely down to the sensibility of the Gladbach fans and City fans.

 

[Eccles Blue]

You clearly weren't around in 1914 and 1939.

And that is of relevance in 2015 because??

 

[IanBishopsHaircut]

Fact is..if you rock up in the home end of any given club and celebrate a goal for your team..you should expect a smack in the mouth

This is not netball

All us a City fans of a certain age have done it in the past..and it's been fucking hairy..been escorted to the away end many times over the years getting dogs abuse from the baying home support..comes with the territory and it's a risk you take

 

[Blue Punter]

Given your obvious disdain for City fans maybe start supporting an Austrian, German or Spanish club ? Sounds like you'd enjoy it more.

Again, where is my disdain for City fans? You can file your answer next to the one I asked about "sneering".

If you mean the pricks at Barca who were lobbing handfuls of coins down on the Barca fans in the Nou Camp last year all through the game, then yes I'll call them out. If you mean the bully's who were shoving about a pair of young lads in the unsegregated toilets at the Allianz for no other reason that being German, once again I want no affinity with those nobs.

So no disdain from me for decent City fans. And I've met plenty of them in the last 35 years, either at games, supporters clubs, boozers and even this forum. THe ones who are bellends I try and give a wide berth to. As I suspect the majority of decent City fans do.

 

[Trolleyhead]

Again, where is my disdain for City fans? You can file your answer next to the one I asked about "sneering".

If you mean the pricks at Barca who were lobbing handfuls of coins down on the Barca fans in the Nou Camp last year all through the game, then yes I'll call them out. If you mean the bully's who were shoving about a pair of young lads in the unsegregated toilets at the Allianz for no other reason that being German, once again I want no affinity with those nobs.

So no disdain from me for decent City fans. And I've met plenty of them in the last 35 years, either at games, supporters clubs, boozers and even this forum. THe ones who are bellends I try and give a wide berth to. As I suspect the majority of decent City fans do.

To be honest I've changed my mind. You sound like you'd enjoy a debating society more than football.

 

[Blue Punter]

To be honest I've changed my mind. You sound like you'd enjoy a debating society more than football.

Only with people who are worth debating with.

Goodnight.

 

[ninjamonkey]

If they are away fans ( regardless of the completion ) and stewards realise this then they should be escorted out of the stadium.
I don't care about people on here saying they were doing no harm and blaming city fans for being aggressive.
If they are not there, or keep a low profile , there is no problem .
segregated areas for home and away fans are not there for the fun of it. about 20 stewards doing a makeshift segregation area at the bottom ( for about 20 BMG fans) of the south stand . is not acceptable. They should have been kicked out .
Just because it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't bother anyone else . All you pc fuckers with you're new views on how football grounds should be , had better remember that there is still a very large element of fans that have been going since the seventies and eighties and certain things are not accepted .
The club is lucky in the fact that most of the annoyed blues realise that the ground is full of cameras otherwise it could turn really nasty

Whilst i agree with what you're saying, They absolutely shouldn't be in the home end, you've vastly underestimated the number of them in our end. They didn't get thrown out because of the sheer number of them. there was hundreds in the south stand alone and plenty of others dotted everywhere else. There simply wasn't enough stewards or police to deal with them. This was the reasoning given to me by a steward at the barrier. City fans weren't accepting of them being in our end, far from it, I, like most others was moaning at every steward and police officer that came near me to get them out before kick off and for the first 10 minutes of the game. But when it became apparent just how many there was and that it wasn't happening you had to just accept them being there.

 

[Trolleyhead]

Whilst i agree with what you're saying, They absolutely shouldn't be in the home end, you've vastly underestimated the number of them in our end. They didn't get thrown out because of the sheer number of them. there was hundreds in the south stand alone and plenty of others dotted everywhere else. There simply wasn't enough stewards or police to deal with them. This was the reasoning given to me by a steward at the barrier. City fans weren't accepting of them being in our end, far from it, I, like most others was moaning at every steward and police officer that came near me to get them out before kick off and for the first 10 minutes of the game. But when it became apparent just how many there was and that it wasn't happening you had to just accept them being there.

I'm glad they left them in the South Stand. Made the last minutes beautiful.