Player topic : Yaya Toure (2015/16)

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ojeme said:
unfortunately pace, energy and aggression trail technique (passing, intelligence, etc) in the pecking order when you consider must-have qualities for central midfielders. Ever wondered why the best CMs in the world aren't necessarily the fastest or most aggressive
but the most intelligent. Alcantara, Xavi (in his hey days), in the epl Carzola, etc. Even the ones that are known for aggressiveness also have a great deal of technique about them (Veratti, Gundogan a couple of years back, Koke). So for me it's brain over brawn every day of the week. The earlier we realize that we are
short in CM the better for us. The most important thing about a CM is completeness. You can't have one set of qualities and be far behind in the other and still be a force to reckon with. With all due respect, based on what I've seen Delph play so far, I'm not sure that we'd be able to control games if we use Fern+delph combo. I'm no sorcerer but I guess fate would prove me right or wrong.
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Sir,
You are making too much sense.
 
ManCityX said:
Yaya didn't play vs Spurs or Stoke. We had the exact same problems in those games that Yaya is accused of causing.

If you think Delph is a better option than Yaya then you probably don't really understand the game. Ourmost successful midfield combination is Yaya/Fernandinho by far. We probably need another player to make it a three in the bigger games, not because of Yaya but because a three man midfield is harder to play through in general.

Our defensive problem is a team one. We don't defend as a unit and not enough players put in a shift. At Barca, even Messi, Neymar and Suarez help defend from the front. We don't do that.

Those that blame it on Yaya are thinking way too simplistic. He's the only player on the level of Silva in terms of keeping hold of the ball and linking up the play. Pirlo wasn't a defensive monster either but he played a similar position to Yaya because of those ball qualities.
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Why am I here, when you've said it all. Bravo!!!
 
Dax777 said:
Why am I here, when you've said it all. Bravo!!!
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You see, you've said it yourself 'our most successful combination is...', but it's far from ideal. This idea that Yaya is what makes the team tick is as much right as it is wrong. It only happens if he's up for the game. I can show you endless footage absolutely discrediting his influence when he's not on his game. And yes, that does have a huge impact on how our game flows as a team.

He's brilliant when he's on form. yet when he's not he becomes a liability. David Silva is brilliant when he's on form, and when he's not, he's not as effective, but 'rarely' a liability. That is the absolute difference between what we should expect from our current world-class players. I really think we've moved on too much to be a club based on players 'moods' and want to see some consistency in performances. As much as a game changer Yaya can be, we never really know which Yaya's gonna turn up.
 
So the argument is that Toure is in the team to provide the creativity that Delph and Fernandinho can not provide. "He hasn't got the legs, but he's got the artistry."

From www.mcfc.co.uk

In the League, Toure has 5 assists in 20. Silva has 6 in 10. De Bruyne has 6 in 14, Navas 5 in 13.
 
Marvin said:
So the argument is that Toure is in the team to provide the creativity that Delph and Fernandinho can not provide. "He hasn't got the legs, but he's got the artistry."

From www.mcfc.co.uk

In the League, Toure has 5 assists in 20. Silva has 6 in 10. De Bruyne has 6 in 14, Navas 5 in 13.
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Who usually provides the passes to those who are assisting goals?

I recall the Arsenal game earlier in the year when Yaya was out. The two Ferns didn't have the wherewithal whilst under pressure to find Silva in the pockets, this is where Yaya excels and why he's still an important player for us.
 
blueplan said:
Are you suggesting Vardy & Mahrez don't deserve topping the list?
Lest you forget that it was his critical last min goal/assist that got us 3 pts recently.
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No, I'm suggesting that Kolarov was put in EA Sports team of the year so far based on that table, we then had a flurry of blues who decided the list was a load of shite.
I'm aware of his recent goal, I was one of only 26 people left in the stadium to see it. :-)
 
Rolee said:
Who usually provides the passes to those who are assisting goals?

I recall the Arsenal game earlier in the year when Yaya was out. The two Ferns didn't have the wherewithal whilst under pressure to find Silva in the pockets, this is where Yaya excels and why he's still an important player for us.
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Then let De Bruyne do it, but I don't believe that Delph, Fernando, or Fernandinho are unable to find Silva on the pitch.

I agree with your decription of Toure's function in the team. It's ferrying the ball around the pitch from defence to attack, but I don't agree that he has a unique talent for it. If he's given the time and space on the ball then I'm sure we'll see more of the defence splitting passes, but he wont get time on the ball. Opposition teams are all too aware of him.
 
Marvin said:
Then let De Bruyne do it, but I don't believe that Delph, Fernando, or Fernandinho are unable to find Silva on the pitch.

I agree with your decription of Toure's function in the team. It's ferrying the ball around the pitch from defence to attack, but I don't agree that he has a unique talent for it. If he's given the time and space on the ball then I'm sure we'll see more of the defence splitting passes, but he wont get time on the ball. Opposition teams are all too aware of him.
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Same problem if DeBruyne does it, he won't put the defensive shift in. In fact the problem would probably be exacerbated as DeBruyne is more of a risk taker therefore we'll be losing possession in deeper areas more often.

It's not that I believe the Ferns and Delph are unable to find Silva on the pitch, it's more a case of I don't believe their composure or passing abilities are as good as Yaya's and it's particularly noticeable in his absence.
 
Marvin said:
Then let De Bruyne do it, but I don't believe that Delph, Fernando, or Fernandinho are unable to find Silva on the pitch.

I agree with your decription of Toure's function in the team. It's ferrying the ball around the pitch from defence to attack, but I don't agree that he has a unique talent for it. If he's given the time and space on the ball then I'm sure we'll see more of the defence splitting passes, but he wont get time on the ball. Opposition teams are all too aware of him.
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kev is as bad at tracking back and putting in tackle as yaya and he's nearly 10 years younger.
 
ojeme said:
Many thanks sire. I also think your posts are so on point but i'd sincerely advise that you don't engage too much in an argument that's going no where.
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My biggest weakness :( can't seem to let things go. Working on it though
 
Marvin said:
So the argument is that Toure is in the team to provide the creativity that Delph and Fernandinho can not provide. "He hasn't got the legs, but he's got the artistry."

From www.mcfc.co.uk

In the League, Toure has 5 assists in 20. Silva has 6 in 10. De Bruyne has 6 in 14, Navas 5 in 13.
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The positional difference here plays a role. Silva, DeBryune and Navas are Attacking midfielders, Yaya is mostly a CM and sometimes a DM. Furthermore all the other 3 take corner kicks and indirect free kicks, but Yaya doesn't. These amongst other things might account for the disparity.
 
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