Phil thompson said it was a pen on the review earlier. All over sky this morning its been a pen and no one can believe it wasnt given, even Dermot Gallagher did a special on it saying what a shockin decision.Like someone else already mentioned, what's the point of a camera that never lies if the person looking at it lies. Like Webb and the Aguero pen and Stelling and the sky panel with the Sterling one.
Phil thompson said it was a pen on the review earlier. All over sky this morning its been a pen and no one can believe it wasnt given, even Dermot Gallagher did a special on it saying what a shockin decision.
That doesn't change my point about Webb, who even after seeing the Aguero one in slow motion from every available angle still maintained it wasn't a pen. The excuse he gave was that Aguero's fall was exaggerated and his arm movements unnatural. Yet a couple of weeks later he was saying that the pen the rags won when Depay leapt into the air clutching both legs after a slight tap on his shin was nailed on. Similar situations but with less dramatics from Aguero, and Webb had a totally different opinion on them both.
If the officials have their own agenda, whether it's a personal bias or they are just out and out corrupt, then having a video ref won't make a blind bit of difference.
That doesn't change my point about Webb, who even after seeing the Aguero one in slow motion from every available angle still maintained it wasn't a pen. The excuse he gave was that Aguero's fall was exaggerated and his arm movements unnatural. Yet a couple of weeks later he was saying that the pen the rags won when Depay leapt into the air clutching both legs after a slight tap on his shin was nailed on. Similar situations but with less dramatics from Aguero, and Webb had a totally different opinion on them both.
If the officials have their own agenda, whether it's a personal bias or they are just out and out corrupt, then having a video ref won't make a blind bit of difference.
Even if your fears are realized I see no reason not to introduce video based decisions. Rugby has proved that it's at no cost to flow of the game.That doesn't change my point about Webb, who even after seeing the Aguero one in slow motion from every available angle still maintained it wasn't a pen. The excuse he gave was that Aguero's fall was exaggerated and his arm movements unnatural. Yet a couple of weeks later he was saying that the pen the rags won when Depay leapt into the air clutching both legs after a slight tap on his shin was nailed on. Similar situations but with less dramatics from Aguero, and Webb had a totally different opinion on them both.
If the officials have their own agenda, whether it's a personal bias or they are just out and out corrupt, then having a video ref won't make a blind bit of difference.
Well the rag one was said to have been placed on Betfair so should be easy enough to check if anyone's got access to that.PB,
How certain is what you posted about the 300k bets on Exeter and Utd?
It certainly appears to be s a big brick in the wall of dodginess.
Even if your fears are realized I see no reason not to introduce video based decisions. Rugby has proved that it's at no cost to flow of the game.
Dealing with amateurish officials is something that needs to be addressed in parallel.
@prestwich blue,
You said earlier that there was a dodgy match where someone was a late replacement for Andre Marriner & last night the Swansea v Sunderland match had a ref who was a late replacement for.....Andre Marriner!! I'm glad Sunderland won that match but apparently there were 2 dodgy goals that could have been offside?
I am just making an observation, nothing else.
The research you put into any number related topic is excellent .This is very interesting .It might but but £300k's worth? When you factor in that the Liverpool goalie let a corner float over his head into the net and said goalie's agent is Key Sports Management, which is owned by John Colquhoun. And that Colquhoun's mate is referee Jon Moss, who was a late replacement for Andre Marriner in the rags cup tie. And someone also put £300k on the rags via Betfair (Betfair wasn't specified for the Liverpool bet but it was for the rags bet).
Now also factor in that in the last 3 seasons, plus the current one so far, the rags league record is P135 W 76 D29 L30. In the last 11 games that Moss has refereed involving them, their record is P11 W10 D1 L0, when statistically you'd expect something like P11 W6 D2 L3. So statistically Moss has been woth 11 points to them in tose 11 games.
And that, with Moss in charge, they got a penalty in the last minute that was far less obvious than ours last night and, had it been us and not given, all the pundits would have said "Well he went down a bit theatrically so you can see why he hasn't given it".
But if you choose to believe that someone punted £300k on a match outcome because a few kids were playing (against a League 2 side) then that's your prerogative.
In this match there was also an incorrect penalty when a guy tripped himself up and a sending off that non of the pundits agreed with, in fact one of them said it was not even a foul. Refs are either incompetent or bent, neither option is very good for us paying fans.@prestwich blue,
You said earlier that there was a dodgy match where someone was a late replacement for Andre Marriner & last night the Swansea v Sunderland match had a ref who was a late replacement for.....Andre Marriner!! I'm glad Sunderland won that match but apparently there were 2 dodgy goals that could have been offside?
I am just making an observation, nothing else.
Like someone else already mentioned, what's the point of a camera that never lies if the person looking at it lies. Like Webb and the Aguero pen and Stelling and the sky panel with the Sterling one.
Then again, you do what they do in rugby when the services of the video ref are required, and you show his deliberations on a giant screen in the ground. That way he has to have a little think about his own credibility
Then again, you do what they do in rugby when the services of the video ref are required, and you show his deliberations on a giant screen in the ground. That way he has to have a little think about his own credibility
When he was the ref, he contradicted himself ON the pitch, so hardly surprising he still doesn't know what he's doing.Poll, in particular, will totally contradict himself from one game to the next
And that is exactly what caused ADUG to take action. It's quite likely we would not have had the Agueroooooo!!!!! moment if they hadn't. Time to do so again methinks.The change in refereeing decisions before and after the 6-1 at the swamp proved corruption to me, the clubs statement through Vieira proved the club believed the same.