Howard Webb

[Prestwich_Blue]

What dossier is this?

I'd have to kill you if I told you.

 

[dickie davies]

Excuse my ignorance and apologies if this has been covered but, can anyone explain the rules regarding contact and whether or not the ball has been touched with regard to penalty awards. Different pundits and commentators seem to place the emphasis on different factors when trying to explain their stances - "there was definitely contact' or 'he definitely got a touch on the ball" etc.

The general rule is if the player making the tackle kicks the ball first, before contact with the opponent, that is a legal challenge
However, if the player making the tackle is deemed to be out of control, even if he gets the ball cleanly, it can be interpreted as a foul
Also if the player making the tackle just touches the ball before taking out his opponent, but because he only touched it or knocked it a very small distance and the ball was still in playing distance of his opponent, then that is a foul

 

[BlueTG]

I'd have to kill you if I told you.

I'll ask you again if we lose the Derby then mate

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I fail to see how anyone does not find Howard Webb to be hugely attractive.

 

[mat]

Must admit I thought I had misheard him when he first said it was not a penalty.
After that his defence of the argument was an embarrassement to his profession.
Rag twat of the highest order.
Bet he was bent as a copper too!

Worked for SYP so that's a gimme....

 

[sir baconface]

I'd have to kill you if I told you.

May I ask too? Because to kill both of us would be bordering on genocide.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'll ask you again if we lose the Derby then mate

Remember back in the 2011/12 season when Walton suddenly disappeared off to the USA and Mason got pulled from a couple of games he was supposed to be reffing us in? Well I was told that a guy was paid a small fortune to produce a dossier proving a correlation between dodgy refereeing decisions and suspicious movements on non-regulated betting markets in the Far East. Analysing those markets and advising professional gambling clients (and bookies) is his business. Basically, by doing that, he could show strong circumstantial evidence that games had been fixed and referees were involved in that (allegedly). Now, as you can imagine, it's hard to believe something like that but my source was in Abu Dhabi and said it was common knowledge in certain circles. Also it seems it wasn't the first time he'd done it and back around 2008/9, a few referees "retired" very early after a similar dossier was presented.

Two other events helped confirm it. First of all, Mike Riley came up to the Etihad to do a Q&A with Points of Blue. It was done under conditions of some secrecy and was supposed to be a pilot for a series of road-shows they were going to do but these haven't taken place as far as I know, nearly four years on. Why pick us for that, unless there was some reason to do so? Now I wasn't given the name of the guy who did it but I could guess as there's not many who have that sort of knowledge. and sure enough, the guy I thought it was claimed at the end of the season that he should have been given a winners medal as his part in us winning that title was crucial. Now this guy is a Mancunian and a rag but even he claimed that the rags would have cheated their way to the title if he hadn't been asked to do what he did.

So although it sounds very far fetched, I firmly believe there are two dossiers in existence that present very strong evidence that a number of refs in the last ten years been bent (and we're talking at least 7). And certainly when you look at the performances of certain officials, you can believe it.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Remember back in the 2011/12 season when Walton suddenly disappeared off to the USA and Mason got pulled from a couple of games he was supposed to be reffing us in? Well I was told that a guy was paid a small fortune to produce a dossier proving a correlation between dodgy refereeing decisions and suspicious movements on non-regulated betting markets in the Far East. Analysing those markets and advising professional gambling clients (and bookies) is his business. Basically, by doing that, he could show strong circumstantial evidence that games had been fixed and referees were involved in that (allegedly). Now, as you can imagine, it's hard to believe something like that but my source was in Abu Dhabi and said it was common knowledge in certain circles. Also it seems it wasn't the first time he'd done it and back around 2008/9, a few referees "retired" very early after a similar dossier was presented.

Two other events helped confirm it. First of all, Mike Riley came up to the Etihad to do a Q&A with Points of Blue. It was done under conditions of some secrecy and was supposed to be a pilot for a series of road-shows they were going to do but these haven't taken place as far as I know, nearly four years on. Why pick us for that, unless there was some reason to do so? Now I wasn't given the name of the guy who did it but I could guess as there's not many who have that sort of knowledge. and sure enough, the guy I thought it was claimed at the end of the season that he should have been given a winners medal as his part in us winning that title was crucial. Now this guy is a Mancunian and a rag but even he claimed that the rags would have cheated their way to the title if he hadn't been asked to do what he did.

So although it sounds very far fetched, I firmly believe there are two dossiers in existence that present very strong evidence that a number of refs in the last ten years been bent (and we're talking at least 7). And certainly when you look at the performances of certain officials, you can believe it.

that's not even including the subliminal influence of certain managers doing such things as dining with particular referees the night before matches which then coincidentally have game-changing decisions which favour the aforementioned manager.

 

[blueincy]

Poll is on record as saying if you wanted the big games which normally included the rags, you had to tow the line.

Straight form the horses mouth.

Just like when the GPC put in his book he had every refs phone number and would phone them before the game the FA were quick to say they do not approve of or endorse such things...

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

that's not even including the subliminal influence of certain managers doing such things as dining with particular referees the night before matches which then coincidentally have game-changing decisions which favour the aforementioned manager.

I enjoyed that Riley meeting and think it was a brave thing to do but some of it left me open-mouthed. Two things particularly stuck with me.

When we were discussing the red card for DOCGSO. We said, quite reasonably I thought, that giving a penalty restored the goal-scoring opportunity so why further punish a team that have conceded that penalty, unless the offence merited a red card in itself of course? His response was "Well we thought about that but decided that if we stopped doing it, players would wait until an attacker was in the area to foul them." At which nearly everyone said "But then you could give a penalty!"

And the other moment of incredulity was when we were talking about Lee Mason after he'd been talking about how they appoint referees to try to avoid conflicts of interest. Mason had just given that infamous penalty at Old Trafford, when Ashley Young came from an offside position, dived to win a penalty and earned Shaun Derry a red card in the process. We tried to convince him that Mason was a rag but he said that Mason had declared an allegiance to Bolton, as members of his family had season tickets there. It might even have been you who then pointed out that Bolton and QPR were involved in a relegation struggle so how could appointing a referee who allegedly supported one of the teams involved in that relegation battle to officiate in a match involving the other NOT be a conflict of interest. It had clearly never occurred to him.