Pellegrini - Job done ?

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blueparrot

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A new thread because I'm not asking opinions on Pellegrini so much, or as in a post match thread whether posters think Hughes, Pearce and Kidd would have done a better job, just in the clubs opinion has he done what they wanted from him.

My take is this. When three years ago the club decided to get rid of Mancini, by that time Guardiola had committed to Bayern and City as a club weren't ready for him, either on the pitch or off, CFA etc I don't think Guardiola goes to City after Mancini the same way he wouldn't follow Mourinho into Chelsea now.
I believe we spoke to Guardiola at that time and he agreed to consider us first after Bayern, presuming the club was in the right place. We employed Pellegrini to achieve 3 things. First to keep us on an even keel and in the champions league. Second to win a few trophies on the way and thirdly to work knowing the ground was being prepared for Pep and step aside with minimum fuss.
Other, maybe better managers would want there own style of players and if they won things kick off when they knew they were being replaced, which could in turn cost us top 4. Or other managers might just have not worked.

In my opinion he has achieved his brief. He wasn't employed to win champions league and get us to the level of Barca, Real and Bayern , that will be Guardiolas job. His isn't to make players I think we're bought for Gaurdiola ,Sterling , De Bruyne into world beaters, again that will be Pep. Unless things go badly wrong I think at the end of this season the club will say job done.
 
You are spot on. He was employed because they trusted him to stop the arguments and implement the long term plans without question.

He was also fully aware that pep was their main man and that he was gone when he said yes and come the summer, he will happily walk away again without a bad word or any drama.

He won a double and i still think this season could end very well but his time is up and the summer cant come quick enough.
 
When he arrived it was obvious that he wasn't gonna be a ten or fifteen year manager! I think he has done a decent job overall. He's had tremendous playing resources and some might say that we have underperformed and defensively we have gone AWOL at times but get CL qualification this year and I would say it was job pretty much done!
 
I agree with the OP.
It's obvious (in my eyes) that he was brought in for specific reasons and he knows his time is up in the summer.

Would be nicer of the players to commit themselves more and give MP a final good send off, but many seem disinterested in certain games.

Maybe certain players also feel their time is up 're; when Pep steps in.

Never know in football, but this is what I'm seeing.
 
I think the owners wanted a manager that the players would respond to positively which would lead to a more consistent level of performance, I am not sure they would be happy with the team not reaching its potential over a 3 season period.

In sport you have to take your chances when they come, ambling along presuming a messiah will come in and everything will be fine is a strange strategy really.
 
So you're saying Pellegrini is basically a yes man and lacks any real ambition of his own?.... Bit harsh.

And I don't think the club have spent these 3 seasons with the primary objective of having our club "pep ready". Our aim was to continue to grow and improve, not stay around the level we were until a new manager might come in.
 
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We look incredibly badly coached and organised. I am sure that's not the case but the continued selection of Toure is looking us look like lazy careless players. I know Toure isn't, he's just slow, but what on Earth possessed Pellegrini to recall him after we'd done quite well without him at a place like West Ham where you have to compete?

I don't understand the reasoning at all. It's sill possible that we could have a great season with a trophy or two, but to be honest I think it's more likely we'll end up with nothing again and that will be entirely Pellegrini's fault, and the decision to retain him in the Summer. What is wrong with giving Vieira 12 months? Seasons with Aguero, Silva etc were hard earned for those of us who watched the rubbish. Now we're giving up special moments through sheer incompetence or bloody mindedness.
 
hilts said:
I think the owners wanted a manager that the players would respond to positively which would lead to a more consistent level of performance, I am not sure they would be happy with the team not reaching its potential over a 3 season period.

In sport you have to take your chances when they come, ambling along presuming a messiah will come in and everything will be fine is a strange strategy really.
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Treading water as strategy, It would probably be unique, and would only make sense if the club were very confident it was going to be successful, that said, positioning the club for Guardiola, even if he doesn't come puts us in a very good position for an alternative, I think there's very little doubt he is coming now though, which probably makes people more critical now as they can't wait for what a Guardiola team might bring.
 
He was hired to steady the ship, I suppose he did that in his first year.

However, once the ship was steadied his incompetence is there for all to see and this team has been shit for the best part of 18months. If we win the league this year I'd say he's done a reasonably good job but anything short of winning the league has got to be seen as a failure - 1 league out of 3 with this squad would be a huge fuck-up

To be honest, I think most managers could do what he's done/doing. I don't see being nice a reason to stay in a job for 3yrs.
 
Yes, and also I think one of his other briefs was to make our style of play more exciting to watch, people seem to forget that record amount of goals first season.
One thing he has failed at is giving youth team players more opportunities which I'm sure someone hailed as the holistic one should have
 
My view is that we would have got Guardiola if we hadn't won the league in 2012 and were scared to sack Mancini, despite already knowing he was going to be a problem when Soriano and Begiristain came in. So we gave RM a new contract whereas we might have been less squeamish if the rags had won the title. I can completely understand that, with them having got a pasting over the Hughes signing, but it was a mistake in hindsight. But having done that, Mancini caused so much friction behind the scenes that the number one requirement was a manager who would work with, rather than against, the structure we wanted and would take the players with him rather than alienate most of them. We also needed one with a decent record in Europe because our CL performance in 2012/13 was embarrassing. The final requirement was a manager committed to attacking football.

You could say that MP has met all those requirements to some degree or other,. He has moved us forward in some ways but has taken us backwards in others. In pursuing attacking football, he's neglected the defence. In focusing on our game, he's neglected the the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and doing the boring but necessary basic drills that teams need to have.
 
Marvin said:
We look incredibly badly coached and organised. I am sure that's not the case but the continued selection of Toure is looking us look like lazy careless players. I know Toure isn't, he's just slow, but what on Earth possessed Pellegrini to recall him after we'd done quite well without him at a place like West Ham where you have to compete?

I don't understand the reasoning at all. It's sill possible that we could have a great season with a trophy or two, but to be honest I think it's more likely we'll end up with nothing again and that will be entirely Pellegrini's fault, and the decision to retain him in the Summer. What is wrong with giving Vieira 12 months? Seasons with Aguero, Silva etc were hard earned for those of us who watched the rubbish. Now we're giving up special moments through sheer incompetence or bloody mindedness.
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I agree about Toure , but I didn't really want another thread about Pellegrini in detail, it's about has he done what the club expected. Why risk Vieira for a year, if the result could be dropping out of the top 4 and risking Guardiola. Why would the club take that risk ?
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
It's entirely possible MP was just a stand in but fuck me that shows a certain lack of ambition.....
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Not sure whether you mean from him or the club. But he was 60 and wasn't going to get a bigger job at that time. If you mean the club, I think they are confident in playing a long game and prepared to more than any other clubs owners. They are definitely big picture , long term planners.
 
blueparrot said:
Treading water as strategy, It would probably be unique, and would only make sense if the club were very confident it was going to be successful, that said, positioning the club for Guardiola, even if he doesn't come puts us in a very good position for an alternative, I think there's very little doubt he is coming now though, which probably makes people more critical now as they can't wait for what a Guardiola team might bring.
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I think pellegrini has also had a certain amount of luck with timings, pep obviously didn't want the job 3 years ago, they put pellegrini in charge and he won the league so was always going to carry on the next season, after the second season every top club with ambitions would have let him go but with pep only a season away if true then it was a difficult decision for our owners, they couldn't bring in another top coach for one year only it would be too messy.

They took the easy option of just letting him plod on for a year, if pep comes then the situation is what it is but if anything scuppers that then a major bollock has been dropped
 
I don't see how he has improved us in any way at all.

We look more like a team of individuals than we did under Mancini and I can't think of any player he has actually improved since he has been here.

We have been wholly inconsistent under Pellegrini from the start. We are capable of putting runs together of 10 unbeaten but often match that by taking 5 points from a possible 24.

Last season the run we put together after the United defeat papered over the cracks. This season has been exactly the same and that is despite an influx of top class talent.

I'm all in favour of a manager having strict beliefs and principals but he also has to be pragmatic and Pellegrini will rightly be replaced because of this failure. We should have kicked on after his 1st title win not regressed.
 
It's too early to know the real answer. At an operational level we have regressed. Your question is more at the strategic level and in that context we will only be able to take a clear view on MP's contribution in around 2 years from now.
 
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