Pellegrini - Job done ?

Yes, and also I think one of his other briefs was to make our style of play more exciting to watch, people seem to forget that record amount of goals first season.
One thing he has failed at is giving youth team players more opportunities which I'm sure someone hailed as the holistic one should have
 
My view is that we would have got Guardiola if we hadn't won the league in 2012 and were scared to sack Mancini, despite already knowing he was going to be a problem when Soriano and Begiristain came in. So we gave RM a new contract whereas we might have been less squeamish if the rags had won the title. I can completely understand that, with them having got a pasting over the Hughes signing, but it was a mistake in hindsight. But having done that, Mancini caused so much friction behind the scenes that the number one requirement was a manager who would work with, rather than against, the structure we wanted and would take the players with him rather than alienate most of them. We also needed one with a decent record in Europe because our CL performance in 2012/13 was embarrassing. The final requirement was a manager committed to attacking football.

You could say that MP has met all those requirements to some degree or other,. He has moved us forward in some ways but has taken us backwards in others. In pursuing attacking football, he's neglected the defence. In focusing on our game, he's neglected the the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition and doing the boring but necessary basic drills that teams need to have.
 
Marvin said:
We look incredibly badly coached and organised. I am sure that's not the case but the continued selection of Toure is looking us look like lazy careless players. I know Toure isn't, he's just slow, but what on Earth possessed Pellegrini to recall him after we'd done quite well without him at a place like West Ham where you have to compete?

I don't understand the reasoning at all. It's sill possible that we could have a great season with a trophy or two, but to be honest I think it's more likely we'll end up with nothing again and that will be entirely Pellegrini's fault, and the decision to retain him in the Summer. What is wrong with giving Vieira 12 months? Seasons with Aguero, Silva etc were hard earned for those of us who watched the rubbish. Now we're giving up special moments through sheer incompetence or bloody mindedness.
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I agree about Toure , but I didn't really want another thread about Pellegrini in detail, it's about has he done what the club expected. Why risk Vieira for a year, if the result could be dropping out of the top 4 and risking Guardiola. Why would the club take that risk ?
 
DenisLawBackHeel74 said:
It's entirely possible MP was just a stand in but fuck me that shows a certain lack of ambition.....
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Not sure whether you mean from him or the club. But he was 60 and wasn't going to get a bigger job at that time. If you mean the club, I think they are confident in playing a long game and prepared to more than any other clubs owners. They are definitely big picture , long term planners.
 
blueparrot said:
Treading water as strategy, It would probably be unique, and would only make sense if the club were very confident it was going to be successful, that said, positioning the club for Guardiola, even if he doesn't come puts us in a very good position for an alternative, I think there's very little doubt he is coming now though, which probably makes people more critical now as they can't wait for what a Guardiola team might bring.
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I think pellegrini has also had a certain amount of luck with timings, pep obviously didn't want the job 3 years ago, they put pellegrini in charge and he won the league so was always going to carry on the next season, after the second season every top club with ambitions would have let him go but with pep only a season away if true then it was a difficult decision for our owners, they couldn't bring in another top coach for one year only it would be too messy.

They took the easy option of just letting him plod on for a year, if pep comes then the situation is what it is but if anything scuppers that then a major bollock has been dropped
 
I don't see how he has improved us in any way at all.

We look more like a team of individuals than we did under Mancini and I can't think of any player he has actually improved since he has been here.

We have been wholly inconsistent under Pellegrini from the start. We are capable of putting runs together of 10 unbeaten but often match that by taking 5 points from a possible 24.

Last season the run we put together after the United defeat papered over the cracks. This season has been exactly the same and that is despite an influx of top class talent.

I'm all in favour of a manager having strict beliefs and principals but he also has to be pragmatic and Pellegrini will rightly be replaced because of this failure. We should have kicked on after his 1st title win not regressed.
 
It's too early to know the real answer. At an operational level we have regressed. Your question is more at the strategic level and in that context we will only be able to take a clear view on MP's contribution in around 2 years from now.
 
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