Rebuild

bugsyblue said:
I hope so but we have to remember FFP is still in play. How much do you reckon we realistically can spend? £150m net?
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Net I've got no idea because i've got no idea who we can sell and for how much. In terms of incomings though, we spent close to 150 million gross last summer, not including the 30 million on Bony in January. So conservatively, we'll spend 200 million gross this summer. If we can pick up one or two from the top drawer cheap ala Gundogan we'll be laughing. The big question is are we in for Pogba. Because it's his fee that will be outlandish. Everyone else we could go for will be in the 35 - 50 million bracket which is fine.
 
While I'm convinced as everyone else that we need 2 fullbacks and two high quality centre midfielders I do worry a little about our attacking options. We seem to be missing a little bit of spark in attack.

Admittedly de Bruyne and Nasri are missing but Silva is nowhere near his best, Navas doesn't produce enough and we don't seem to know how to use Sterling. We seem to be reliant on a bit of magic from Aguero or Yaya but the last few games we have struggled to create chances regularly.

We've scored 7 in the last 6 league matches which looks ok but 4 of those we against Villa. We were in control at Norwich but quite stale going forward. We really don't seem to be capable of producing the kind of football that rips teams apart and creates chances like the first few matches this season. Mostly it has been slow, low tempo passing in front of the opposition back 4 but with either 1 up front and an out form Silva or with Bony and Kun we look a little sterile.

I expect next season de Bruyne to be hugely important as our creator but I think we need someone else to share that burden.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
While I'm convinced as everyone else that we need 2 fullbacks and two high quality centre midfielders I do worry a little about our attacking options. We seem to be missing a little bit of spark in attack.

Admittedly de Bruyne and Nasri are missing but Silva is nowhere near his best, Navas doesn't produce enough and we don't seem to know how to use Sterling. We seem to be reliant on a bit of magic from Aguero or Yaya but the last few games we have struggled to create chances regularly.

We've scored 7 in the last 6 league matches which looks ok but 4 of those we against Villa. We were in control at Norwich but quite stale going forward. We really don't seem to be capable of producing the kind of football that rips teams apart and creates chances like the first few matches this season. Mostly it has been slow, low tempo passing in front of the opposition back 4 but with either 1 up front and an out form Silva or with Bony and Kun we look a little sterile.

I expect next season de Bruyne to be hugely important as our creator but I think we need someone else to share that burden.
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It's almost certain we'll bring in another attacking midfield player. We nearly brought one in in January. Who it is is another question altogether!
 
The big plus for me about Pep arriving is that, no matter who we bring in, we don't get beaten due to the greater work rate of the opposition. Time and again this season we've played teams that worked much harder off the ball than we do. We worked hard pressing away to Kiev, away to Sevilla and for the first 30 mins in the League Cup Final. Can't think of many other matches where worked that hard.
 
BillyShears said:
Net I've got no idea because i've got no idea who we can sell and for how much. In terms of incomings though, we spent close to 150 million gross last summer, not including the 30 million on Bony in January. So conservatively, we'll spend 200 million gross this summer. If we can pick up one or two from the top drawer cheap ala Gundogan we'll be laughing. The big question is are we in for Pogba. Because it's his fee that will be outlandish. Everyone else we could go for will be in the 35 - 50 million bracket which is fine.
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£35-£50m might just buy a regular starter this summer.
 
OB1 said:
Players that run and run and run and that can pass accurately and quickly when under pressure. We need to and more more and more technical ability. We need full backs who can truly do the job of a wing back.
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Plus versatility, his players need to be able to change tactics, formations and their own position at the drop of a hat. They have to be intelligent footballers.
 
I just hope that If the club do read this forum they don't take any notice of the nonsense posted on here.

Apparently I've been reading for months that it's all Pellers fault and he has the best squad in the league at his disposal, now, our failings are actually down to the quality of the squad so surely Pellers should be applauded for the job he is doing - after all he's won us another trophy and we have got further in the champions league than any other previous squad in the clubs history.

If the above means we need a complete rebuild -then so do all of the teams in Europe outside of the quarter finalists.

The squad needs a tweak and a lowering of the age profile what you don't do is lose all of the winning experience you have in your team.
 
Blue Mooner said:
I just hope that If the club do read this forum they don't take any notice of the nonsense posted on here.

Apparently I've been reading for months that it's all Pellers fault and he has the best squad in the league at his disposal, now, our failings are actually down to the quality of the squad so surely Pellers should be applauded for the job he is doing - after all he's won us another trophy and we have got further in the champions league than any other previous squad in the clubs history.

If the above means we need a complete rebuild -then so do all of the teams in Europe outside of the quarter finalists.

The squad needs a tweak and a lowering of the age profile what you don't do is lose all of the winning experience you have in your team.
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Not everyone thinks it is all Peller's fault.
 
karen7 said:
Centenary copa america this year
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Damn! I don't usually criticise players for playing for their country but if Zaba wants to continue playing at the top he needs to retire from international football. The last two summers have exhausted him and surely contributed to those early season injuries.
 
pavelsrnicek said:
The big plus for me about Pep arriving is that, no matter who we bring in, we don't get beaten due to the greater work rate of the opposition. Time and again this season we've played teams that worked much harder off the ball than we do. We worked hard pressing away to Kiev, away to Sevilla and for the first 30 mins in the League Cup Final. Can't think of many other matches where worked that hard.
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The trouble is that Guardiola and his fitness staff will have hardly any time to work with the squad before the season begins. Many of the players will return late from the Euros or Copa America and will not be any state to undertake intensive conditioning. Most of the big name new signings will be in August. It will take him a few months to get the team playing as he wants.
 
OB1 said:
Players that run and run and run and that can pass accurately and quickly when under pressure. We need to and more more and more technical ability. We need full backs who can truly do the job of a wing back.
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My point is more that all this was said when Pellers turned up. Pressing, working harder, training harder (I still remember Vinny tweeting he had never worked harder in pre season), will only use 1 striker so Dzeko was out etc. Just as confident predictions about would happen under Pellers never quite materialised (well except for the predictions over our defensive deterioration) I am sceptical that we have any real idea as to how Pep will approach reshaping the team and the way we play.

All we seem to be doing is projecting our individual prejudices about players and saying they will be out, squad will be gutted and fortunes spent etc. I also feel we are taking our disappointments over the players this season into our analysis just as did when we went from Mancini to Pellers which makes us subjective rather than objective.
 
BobKowalski said:
My point is more that all this was said when Pellers turned up. Pressing, working harder, training harder (I still remember Vinny tweeting he had never worked harder in pre season), will only use 1 striker so Dzeko was out etc. Just as confident predictions about would happen under Pellers never quite materialised (well except for the predictions over our defensive deterioration) I am sceptical that we have any real idea as to how Pep will approach reshaping the team and the way we play.

All we seem to be doing is projecting our individual prejudices about players and saying they will be out, squad will be gutted and fortunes spent etc. I also feel we are taking our disappointments over the players this season into our analysis just as did when we went from Mancini to Pellers which makes us subjective rather than objective.
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Players are getting older.

Pep may decide he wants younger ones for all we know, irrespective of the quality of the current ones.

I recon he'll just replace a few & use some of the academy players to supplement the squad. You would imagine that players such as Kolarov, who can only kick with one foot, would be surplus & Bony doesn't seem like a Pep kind of player.

The rest may be playing for their futures right now. Yaya actually looked like he gave a shit last night & may force his way in if he keeps it up.
 
BobKowalski said:
My point is more that all this was said when Pellers turned up. Pressing, working harder, training harder (I still remember Vinny tweeting he had never worked harder in pre season), will only use 1 striker so Dzeko was out etc. Just as confident predictions about would happen under Pellers never quite materialised (well except for the predictions over our defensive deterioration) I am sceptical that we have any real idea as to how Pep will approach reshaping the team and the way we play.

All we seem to be doing is projecting our individual prejudices about players and saying they will be out, squad will be gutted and fortunes spent etc. I also feel we are taking our disappointments over the players this season into our analysis just as did when we went from Mancini to Pellers which makes us subjective rather than objective.
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Far too sensible ( :) ) , i think we all know that that Pep's intentions are not public knowledge, nor will be, but it keeps the forum ticking over.
 
BobKowalski said:
My point is more that all this was said when Pellers turned up. Pressing, working harder, training harder (I still remember Vinny tweeting he had never worked harder in pre season), will only use 1 striker so Dzeko was out etc. Just as confident predictions about would happen under Pellers never quite materialised (well except for the predictions over our defensive deterioration) I am sceptical that we have any real idea as to how Pep will approach reshaping the team and the way we play.

All we seem to be doing is projecting our individual prejudices about players and saying they will be out, squad will be gutted and fortunes spent etc. I also feel we are taking our disappointments over the players this season into our analysis just as did when we went from Mancini to Pellers which makes us subjective rather than objective.
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I think he started with a higher energy then realised a team built around Toure, Silva, Nasri in midfield.and most of our defence wasn't built for it. Pep will rebuild the midfield and defence to play exactly how he wants and is probably coming in at a better time in our team cycle to change it.
 
blueparrot said:
I think he started with a higher energy then realised a team built around Toure, Silva, Nasri in midfield.and most of our defence wasn't built for it. Pep will rebuild the midfield and defence to play exactly how he wants and is probably coming in at a better time in our team cycle to change it.
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Well if a team with higher energy was Pellers goal why has he not built it? He's had three years. If a Nasri doesn't want to do the job then sell him and buy someone who does. One season aside we have not being shy of spending money and if Pep was the ultimate goal then why didn't we spend these three years building the team in Pep's supposed image? Txiki has been here 4 years so if we are scrapping what we have and starting again isn't that a black mark on his ability to plan and construct a team over those years?
 
BobKowalski said:
Well if a team with higher energy was Pellers goal why has he not built it? He's had three years. If a Nasri doesn't want to do the job then sell him and buy someone who does. One season aside we have not being shy of spending money and if Pep was the ultimate goal then why didn't we spend these three years building the team in Pep's supposed image? Txiki has been here 4 years so if we are scrapping what we have and starting again isn't that a black mark on his ability to plan and construct a team over those years?
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I think it did start last summer with KDB and Sterling and to a lesser extent Delph and we are are led to believe an attempt to get Pogba. I think they were all bought with Peps team in mind. The only position we don't seem to have readied the squad in some way is defence especially full backs.
 
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