EU referendum

[SWP's back]

Given your tag name I am not sure you are going to get more support for fuck the rest of the Country if the market dictates London is the only thing that matters then so be it.....

He doesn't give a fuck about uk sovereignty or immigration as he lives in Austrailia.

 

[SWP's back]

Take a minute to think that the possible acceptance of Turkey into the EU is grounds to leave.
Then raise your glass to the patron saint of England, the Turk, St George.

Do you think you have a point there?

You may as well say that because St Nic is Turkish then we couldn't have Christmas either.

 

[SWP's back]

No idea what this question is, maybe you could summarise it for us, though anyone who searches for referendum answers on this forum shouldn't be allowed to vote in it anyway

Have the Inners got any positive reasons to stay as opposed to simply listing hypothetical negatives of leaving.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Cheesy have a read of this mate:

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/our-...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

Largely talks about the benefits to the country rather than benefits to the man in the street but it's an interesting read.

I'm an IN but I agree with you about the negatives actually having a counter-productive effect!

Nice to see an intelligent response bugsy. Interesting read for either side of the debate, especially anyone who is short of actual facts ;-)

 

[Chippy_boy]

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Please stop it. The country would not be in turmoil for years and years.

Yes, it would. You have your opinion, which I think is grossly flawed, I have mine. No point in our debating further.

 

[Cheesy]

The one answer you did get you ignored and I may be misjudging you but it did not seem genuine in the slightest as this reply suggests.

Basically without naming any problems of the change please name the improvements that come from voting for the status quo which by its very nature means voting for what is happening anyway.

A bit like saying at the next election, without giving any reasons for not voting labour please tell me how voting for Cameron for prime minister will improve on having david Cameron as prime minister. When no one replies you can cleverly say see I told you Cameron is rubbish he isn't even an improvement on himself

What's the point, if you mean the positives of the away there are some excellent posts in this thread and hundreds mentioned go and read them.

I'm assuming even the current government will try and convince us they have something positive to offer come the next election, or would you rather they just said negatives about the other options? Still no answer to a perfectly fair question from cheesy :-(

Ealing... what Helmut says above. (cheers mate) :-)

I've not really ignored your post, it just didn't tell me anything new. I am a genuinely undecided voter who wants to here what the two sides think will be the positive outcomes of voting their way. What I don't want is to stay in the EU as it is now but I've heard nothing about how it will change for the better if we do stay in. If preserving the status-quo is the best we can hope for that is hardly a convincing argument. OK, I've heard "we'll reform it from within"... how??? Tell me how for fucks sake! Someone give me something positive about staying in please. I say this because up to now I would say I have been swaying towards voting to stay in but I can feel my opinion changing with every negative thing I hear from the 'In' campaign.

 

[Cheesy]

Cheesy have a read of this mate:

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/our-...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

Largely talks about the benefits to the country rather than benefits to the man in the street but it's an interesting read.

I'm an IN but I agree with you about the negatives actually having a counter-productive effect!

Cheers bugsy, will take a look :)

 

[Monkfish]

Have the Inners got any positive reasons to stay as opposed to simply listing hypothetical negatives of leaving.

So your being given loads of reasons not to jump off a cliff but you want extra reasons to stay on the cliff edge yeah? Sometimes it's just the less bad option

 

[Helmet Cole]

Have the Inners got any positive reasons to stay as opposed to simply listing hypothetical negatives of leaving.

I wouldn't hold your breath mate. Most of the 'arguments' seem to center around any one who is pro brexit being a rwnj with xenophobic views about immigrants, and of course the fact that the inners just know that they are right, so there appears little to be done other than rubbish alternate views. The positives for remaining are so obvious and freely available that they are apparently not worth stating.

 

[SWP's back]

So your being given loads of reasons not to jump off a cliff but you want extra reasons to stay on the cliff edge yeah? Sometimes it's just the less bad option

Depends if the cliff is 80ft or 8ft high and what's chasing you to the cliffs edge.

 

[Helmet Cole]

So your being given loads of reasons not to jump off a cliff but you want extra reasons to stay on the cliff edge yeah? Sometimes it's just the less bad option

Unless you feel that we jumped of the cliff in the 70's, and we now have a chance to grab a branch or open a parachute to stop our fall? All a case of perspective and having a genuinely open mind.

 

[Monkfish]

Depends if the cliff is 80ft or 8ft high and what's chasing you to the cliffs edge.

Well yeah, if you think the eu is so bad that hurtling into the unknown is the only option vote leave, still not entirely sure what is so bad about the eu and how it is negatively affecting me so if I do vote leave it will be for a few giggles before I die

 

[SWP's back]

Well yeah, if you think the eu is so bad that hurtling into the unknown is the only option vote leave, still not entirely sure what is so bad about the eu and how it is negatively affecting me so if I do vote leave it will be for a few giggles before I die

There plenty of reasons in the previous 252 pages.

 

[Monkfish]

Unless you feel that we jumped of the cliff in the 70's, and we now have a chance to grab a branch or open a parachute to stop our fall? All a case of perspective and having a genuinely open mind.

You were alive in the 70's? Standard of living in the UK gone down since then?

 

[Monkfish]

There plenty of reasons in the previous 252 pages.

Only seen rhetoric, sorry

 

[SWP's back]

Only seen rhetoric, sorry

No worries. Reading isn't everyone's thing.

 

[Monkfish]

No worries. Reading isn't everyone's thing.

No problem at all, neither is evidence backed reasoning

 

[SWP's back]

No problem at all, neither is evidence backed reasoning

Evidence requires finite actuals rather than biased hypotheticals.

Nor would you "evidence back reasoning" be a 'positive' reason for staying as Cheesy asked for. It would simply be another negative campaign aspect.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

No worries. Reading isn't everyone's thing.

Understanding stuff certainly aint yours.

Give us one reason.

 

[YPhrunts]

Obama stands up in the Globe theatre and quotes Will..

'Against the envy of less happier lands'
This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,-- This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.