EU referendum

[Helmet Cole]

Lucky for you this time you will be able to go through the rest of your life posting on here that 'if only we had listened to me and voted to leave...'

You will know you were right and nobody will ever be able to prove otherwise, win win

When have I ever claimed to be right? Just jog my memory by quoting where I claimed to be correct.

 

[EalingBlue2]

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Please stop it. The country would not be in turmoil for years and years. Once out business would plan for this. They already are. It's an uncertain time for us all it always is. Staying in provides turmoil and uncertainty until things settle.

As for recession the uk is the fastest growing economy hence the strongest people in the Eu want to come and work here understandably. Please look at this from the other side of the telescope. What do you think happens to the countries of Greece Poland Romania long term if their most enterprising people doctors builders whatever keep coming here. What do you think happens to those countries. They get weaker and weaker. So you end up with a lopsided European Union where you have strong economies feeding off the best people in weaker countries. The gap then gets bigger and you end up with economic imbalance. Ask the Greeks!!!! That's why free movement of people does not work.

If that was true then the UK is failing all those people moving to London and the South east. If you don't believe in the freedoms of labour then you don't believe in capitalism and the free market simple as. So do you propose a socialist planned economy?

Greece failed for the same reason Britain is going to fail it had a Ponzi scheme that collapsed when the credit crunch came. The reason Greece failed not the UK is the UK had retirement at 65 not 50 and that bought a few more decades till the UK faces its Greece moment.

I am glad to see you agree it will harm the UK if we stop losing great immigrants but we should make the sacrifice for the good of Romania and greece

 

[EalingBlue2]

I would think that we will not even get the benefit of the 'status quo'! Look how the Eu has changed from a trading block to the overwhelming, overweening and bureaucratic gravy train riddled with corruption and fraud it is now! Where will it be in twenty years time! Were you to have described to Ted Heath what the EU is now he would have laughed his ample arse off, back on, and back off again! The In campaign have as much idea of what staying in will bring as they have of what leaving would bring!

Such exaggerated nonsense with all that gravy riddled exaggeration. Those gravy trains exist in every country on earth, every political system and in public and private sector it's just called people. The EU is a lot better than many places probably worse than others but wasn't it in the UK where half the MPs were claiming for leaky taps on tennis courts etc

 

[Helmet Cole]

I'm still undecided about which way to vote, but I tell you something.... every single argument I've heard from the 'In' campaign is actually a negative argument about what will happen should we leave.

It's well known that being negative (even if you're right) can turn people against your point of view (it's partly due to this that the Scotland vote was so much closer than people originally thought it would be) so I really do feel that the negative 'In' campaign is being counter-productive and could contribute to an 'Out' vote.

So, as an undecided voter, I've got a question for those who definitely want to remain in the EU...

Can I have some positives about what will happen should we vote to stay in the EU? If you can, I'd like specifics about what will improve for us.

If I see any negatives in the answer I'll just ignore it :-)

Hi cheesy, just wondering if you have been snowed under with PM's answering your question as I've not seen anything on here yet besides someone saying it was an unfair/closed question?
It seems youvare pretty open to having your mind changed either way by a positive factually based argument - have there been any?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It is a problem in the uk. Huge problem. It's a problem for all regional cities and the over centralised country. Manchester lose a lot of its best people for London. As the pay and opportunity gap grows this problem snowballs. People in the uk should be free to work where they want but in a true balanced economy opportunities should be spread through the uk.

 

[Monkfish]

Its just as likely a remain vote would cause a lurch to the right as any economic strife or other issue that could by any stretch blamed on staying in would be manipulated by the RW agenda.

Speculative, I would suggest my theory is pretty much a guarantee of what would happen

 

[EalingBlue2]

It is a problem in the uk. Huge problem. It's a problem for all regional cities and the over centralised country. Manchester lose a lot of its best people for London. As the pay and opportunity gap grows this problem snowballs. People in the uk should be free to work where they want but in a true balanced economy opportunities should be spread through the uk.

Which was one of the economic pillars of communism, jobs were put where suited the government not the market. The EU has always redirected funds to the poorer areas helping them, London as the bastion of capitalism won't give a monkeys

 

[Monkfish]

It is a problem in the uk. Huge problem. It's a problem for all regional cities and the over centralised country. Manchester lose a lot of its best people for London. As the pay and opportunity gap grows this problem snowballs. People in the uk should be free to work where they want but in a true balanced economy opportunities should be spread through the uk.

Another issue but very true, not sure any other developed country has the imbalance we have with London, why isn't parliament moved to Birmingham for example?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Which was one of the economic pillars of communism, jobs were put where suited the government not the market. The EU has always redirected funds to the poorer areas helping them, London as the bastion of capitalism won't give a monkeys

Given your tag name I am not sure you are going to get more support for fuck the rest of the Country if the market dictates London is the only thing that matters then so be it.....

 

[Monkfish]

When have I ever claimed to be right? Just jog my memory by quoting where I claimed to be correct.

Did I say that you did? I said luckily for you you will be able to say that you were.

 

[Cheesy]

Hi cheesy, just wondering if you have been snowed under with PM's answering your question as I've not seen anything on here yet besides someone saying it was an unfair/closed question?
It seems youvare pretty open to having your mind changed either way by a positive factually based argument - have there been any?

Have a guess mate ;-)

 

[EalingBlue2]

Given your tag name I am not sure you are going to get more support for fuck the rest of the Country if the market dictates London is the only thing that matters then so be it.....

It won't give me any pleasure to see the places in the U.K. I love the most and the people I love the most get fucked over

 

[Helmet Cole]

Speculative, I would suggest my theory is pretty much a guarantee of what would happen

I think both our views are speculative, although human nature tends to make us believe our own is the best one.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Have a guess mate ;-)

The one answer you did get you ignored and I may be misjudging you but it did not seem genuine in the slightest as this reply suggests.

Basically without naming any problems of the change please name the improvements that come from voting for the status quo which by its very nature means voting for what is happening anyway.

A bit like saying at the next election, without giving any reasons for not voting labour please tell me how voting for Cameron for prime minister will improve on having david Cameron as prime minister. When no one replies you can cleverly say see I told you Cameron is rubbish he isn't even an improvement on himself

What's the point, if you mean the positives of the away there are some excellent posts in this thread and hundreds mentioned go and read them.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Take a minute to think that the possible acceptance of Turkey into the EU is grounds to leave.
Then raise your glass to the patron saint of England, the Turk, St George.

 

[Kompany is King]

I have seen the government "remain" documentation.

Will we be receiving by post "exit" documentation?

 

[Helmet Cole]

The one answer you did get you ignored and I may be misjudging you but it did not seem genuine in the slightest as this reply suggests.

Basically without naming any problems of the change please name the improvements that come from voting for the status quo which by its very nature means voting for what is happening anyway.

A bit like saying at the next election, without giving any reasons for not voting labour please tell me how voting for Cameron for prime minister will improve on having david Cameron as prime minister. When no one replies you can cleverly say see I told you Cameron is rubbish he isn't even an improvement on himself

What's the point, if you mean the positives of the away there are some excellent posts in this thread and hundreds mentioned go and read them.

I'm assuming even the current government will try and convince us they have something positive to offer come the next election, or would you rather they just said negatives about the other options? Still no answer to a perfectly fair question from cheesy :-(

 

[bugsyblue]

something was pointed out to me last night
"has anyone else noticed that the 24/7 wall to wall tv coverage of the Calais refugee camps has completely disappeared off our tv news since the referendum kicked into full swing ?"

should have called the referendum years ago if that is all it took to sort out Calais and the French

What do Calais refugees have to do with EU referendum?

 

[bugsyblue]

Have a guess mate ;-)

Cheesy have a read of this mate:

http://news.cbi.org.uk/reports/our-...t-2-benefits-of-eu-membership-outweigh-costs/

Largely talks about the benefits to the country rather than benefits to the man in the street but it's an interesting read.

I'm an IN but I agree with you about the negatives actually having a counter-productive effect!

 

[Monkfish]

I'm assuming even the current government will try and convince us they have something positive to offer come the next election, or would you rather they just said negatives about the other options? Still no answer to a perfectly fair question from cheesy :-(

No idea what this question is, maybe you could summarise it for us, though anyone who searches for referendum answers on this forum shouldn't be allowed to vote in it anyway