EU referendum

[Helmet Cole]

I think the milk one is a combo of supermarkets bullying the farmers and dare I say it cheap imports from you know where. ;-)

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

The agricultural stuff is a mixed bag – all of the farming unions have come out supporting the remain camp so it can’t be doing that much harm!

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Ken said we can build on it though and have more people. We can just all eat gravel

It's fine we get some magic city growing beans throw them down and voila overnight we would have a new Milton Keynes or Warrington. All the motorways trains hospitals schools so connected to everywhere else and to keep it multicultural like we want, rehouse other settled people in the uk to the new towns to keep the same multicultural demographic as Islington which must be the utopian goal.

Well I reckon we can build these with magic city beans on the farmers land in at least a week and so it will be fine. Oh and fuck the greedy farmer saying he owns that land who the fuck does he think he is.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

It's fine we get some magic city growing beans throw them down and voila overnight we would have a new Milton Keynes or Warrington. All the motorways trains hospitals schools so connected to everywhere else and to keep it multicultural like we want, rehouse other settled people in the uk to the new towns to keep the same multicultural demographic as Islington which must be the utopian goal.

Well I reckon we can build these with magic city beans on the farmers land in at least a week and so it will be fine. Oh and fuck the greedy farmer saying he owns that land who the fuck does he think he is.

Good to see you have pulled the Brexit argument apart for why Britain is hard done by when it comes to immigrants compared to other countries.

 

[blueonblue]

The agricultural stuff is a mixed bag – all of the farming unions have come out supporting the remain camp so it can’t be doing that much harm!

Yet all the farmers I talk to are for out, an that goes from big farms to smallholdings.

 

[YPhrunts]

Gaudiom M wrote. "The agricultural stuff is a mixed bag – all of the farming unions have come out supporting the remain camp so it can’t be doing that much harm!"


You weren't paying attention a few posts back. The EU paid just under €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups. So when you hear any of these organisations supporting remain just remember that they are on the payroll. That is not including the 2 million paid to the British Broadcasting Corporation.


International Monetary Fund E168.138

OECD E30,523,562

CBI E1,350,737

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National Farmers Union E133,842
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Institute for Fiscal Studies E7,400,974

Price Waterhouse Cooper E16,304778

London School of Economics E18,333,273

Standard and Poor E745,158

Royal Society for Protection of Birds E19,630,265

World Wildlife Trust £45,762,505

Friends of the Earth E17,112,870

Trade Union Council E763,473

National Union of Students E767,196

Unite Union E285,788

Communication Workers Union E25,097

GMB E372, 945

Unison E188,893


TOTAL E159,878,761[/QUOTE]

The farmers themselves want out. They recognise that their union is a EU mouthpiece.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Gaudiom M wrote. "The agricultural stuff is a mixed bag – all of the farming unions have come out supporting the remain camp so it can’t be doing that much harm!"


You weren't paying attention a few posts back. The EU paid just under €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups. So when you hear any of these organisations supporting remain just remember that they are on the payroll. That is not including the 2 million paid to the British Broadcasting Corporation.


International Monetary Fund E168.138

OECD E30,523,562

CBI E1,350,737

--------------------------------------------
National Farmers Union E133,842
--------------------------------------------

Institute for Fiscal Studies E7,400,974

Price Waterhouse Cooper E16,304778

London School of Economics E18,333,273

Standard and Poor E745,158

Royal Society for Protection of Birds E19,630,265

World Wildlife Trust £45,762,505

Friends of the Earth E17,112,870

Trade Union Council E763,473

National Union of Students E767,196

Unite Union E285,788

Communication Workers Union E25,097

GMB E372, 945

Unison E188,893


TOTAL E159,878,761

The farmers themselves want out. They recognise that their union is a EU mouthpiece.[/QUOTE]
These numbers do not seem right. Price Waterhouse coopers is a professional consultancy firm, accountants lawyers tax etc. Isn't that just a fee?

 

[Chancy Termites]

Why choose a part of a country to compare to a list of sovereign nations?
Why England not the UK? Would it be to show exaggerated data? If you are going to leave out the empty areas of the UK why not do the same for all the other countries?

Devolution.

 

[blueish swede]

UKIP received £1.5 million in funding from the EU plus an additional grant of £580k through a "foundation".

 

[Chancy Termites]

UKIP received £1.5 million in funding from the EU plus an additional grant of £580k through a "foundation".

Yes all political parties in the European Parliament form groups which are then centrally funded. UKIP did think long and hard about this - they could have refused to join a group but that would have left them broke. None of the existing groups were suitable so they formed a new one.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Yes all political parties in the European Parliament form groups which are then centrally funded. UKIP did think long and hard about this - they could have refused to join a group but that would have left them broke. None of the existing groups were suitable so they formed a new one.

Devolution , all the main media groups and Boris Johnson gave received EU funding so they must not be listened too so have no credibility as well as UKIP. It's hilarious just how low Brexit will go with normal everyday things to paint It as some kind of corruption to hoodwink voters

 

[BigJoe#1]

Devolution , all the main media groups and Boris Johnson gave received EU funding so they must not be listened too so have no credibility as well as UKIP. It's hilarious just how low Brexit will go with normal everyday things to paint It as some kind of corruption to hoodwink voters

You're way too one dimensional EB2.

I know I am too but at least I will acknowledge that there are risks with leaving and it is not the panacea, risks like the uncertainty of the economy but I am prepared to ride that risk, things like not knowing or having any assurances that the £8.5bn net contribution will be reinvested in Britains best interest and I accepting there will have to be hard lobbying to make that happen. Once we leave the battle will then only be beginning.

The other arguements are all about opinion which is fair enough but all I see from you is snide, cheap comments about why Brexit is wrong, why can you not promote what benefits remaining will bring!

You claim UKIP have failed to prove themselves, which even you must see as being ridiculous with 4m votes, they are here and you need, from afar, to understand that and get a feel for how this country is feeling right now. How long have you been gone and when did you last visit - I do think you are doing the British public a disservice.

No offence intended here, but I remember we had extended discussion in the Ched Evans thread and again you seemed able to hold a strong principled position which theoretically are fine but which practically are somewhat, well let's say not agrreable to many.

 

[BlueHammer85]

If we do vote to remain in the EU. could we get rid of UKIP representing us over there ? And have a party that actually WANT the EU to work.

 

[EalingBlue2]

You're way too one dimensional EB2.

I know I am too but at least I will acknowledge that there are risks with leaving and it is not the panacea, risks like the uncertainty of the economy but I am prepared to ride that risk, things like not knowing or having any assurances that the £8.5bn net contribution will be reinvested in Britains best interest and I accepting there will have to be hard lobbying to make that happen. Once we leave the battle will then only be beginning.

The other arguements are all about opinion which is fair enough but all I see from you is snide, cheap comments about why Brexit is wrong, why can you not promote what benefits remaining will bring!

You claim UKIP have failed to prove themselves, which even you must see as being ridiculous with 4m votes, they are here and you need, from afar, to understand that and get a feel for how this country is feeling right now. How long have you been gone and when did you last visit - I do think you are doing the British public a disservice.

No offence intended here, but I remember we had extended discussion in the Ched Evans thread and again you seemed able to hold a strong principled position which theoretically are fine but which practically are somewhat, well let's say not agrreable to many.

The thing is I acknowledge all the items people see as upside for Brexit I just don't see them as upside. I don't see sovereignty as being real and I don't see it bringing better decisions for British people overall. I also see London and the SE acting less in the interest of the rest of the Uk than Europe does . I see us separated from some of the most risky parts of Europe like the euro and having a quite prove ledges position which is probably actually as good as we would achieve out.

So when I way up all these upsides against the huge downsides that could happen it's a no brainer. I think humanity achieves far more working together than fragmenting and that the European balance sheet is way to weak to take big shocks.

I am one eyed totally , the same way I am about a lot of things -City included. Overall I just hope my big fear of huge damage to the Celtic countries and the north doesn't happen.

I agree the voting system is wrong and labour and the Tories and SNP are massively over represented

 

[YPhrunts]

If we do vote to remain in the EU. could we get rid of UKIP representing us over there ? And have a party that actually WANT the EU to work.

You mean like adopt the Euro, join schengen, give Turkey free access, increase our CAP contributions and get Cameron to do a Merkel? Right ho.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You mean like adopt the Euro, join schengen, give Turkey free access, increase our CAP contributions and get Cameron to do a Merkel? Right ho.

No. A party that stands against that and looks to pro actively contribute into making the EU work - I can't see why we have a party that turns its back, doesn't listen, heckles and acts like twats when they could pushing to make reforms better for our nation and the EU.

 

[BigJoe#1]

The thing is I acknowledge all the items people see as upside for Brexit I just don't see them as upside. I don't see sovereignty as being real and I don't see it bringing better decisions for British people overall. I also see London and the SE acting less in the interest of the rest of the Uk than Europe does . I see us separated from some of the most risky parts of Europe like the euro and having a quite prove ledges position which is probably actually as good as we would achieve out.

So when I way up all these upsides against the huge downsides that could happen it's a no brainer. I think humanity achieves far more working together than fragmenting and that the European balance sheet is way to weak to take big shocks.

I am one eyed totally , the same way I am about a lot of things -City included. Overall I just hope my big fear of huge damage to the Celtic countries and the north doesn't happen.

I agree the voting system is wrong and labour and the Tories and SNP are massively over represented

Thanks for that.

My position is we need to get out because amongst other things being in Europe has probably held us back as we can only progress as fast as slowest and weakest states will allow.

That said, I firmly believe that if we vote to stay in Europe then we should be in it fully and adopt the Euro and open our borders a la Shengen zone. This half arsed special case rubbish is futile. The big EU decisions are all Euro centric regardless of what anyone or any nation says, they are all taken with the Euro being of prime concern, therefore in reality unless we're in it[the Euro] then we really have very little say or influence. Would've correct in assuming the majority of remainers are of this opinion?

 

[Blue Haze]

I'm loving the British media. This was an article on a white exodus from London in an upcoming BBC documentary

Are White British people a minority in Newham?

No. Despite the apparent fear of immigration among some of its residents, and a number of people relocating outside London, White British is still Newham’s largest ethnic group – accounting for 17 per cent of the population.

Then read the actual percentages.

The largest ethnic minority group in the borough is Indian, which makes up just 14 per cent.

White British 17%
White Other 12%
Indian 14%
African 12%
Bangladeshi 12%
Pakistani 10%
Other Asian 6%
Caribbean 5%
Other Black 3%
Others 9%

http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/14/peopl...f-immigrants-bbc-documentary-reveals-5882272/

LMAO. They divided up other ethnic groups into "Indian", "Pakistani", etc to create a technical plurality of 17% of white Brits. A lot less striking than the truth: 17% white British, 12% mostly eastern European, 38% south Asian, 20% Afro-Caribbean.

It's basically becoming a zero-sum game between the media/globalist forces and native populations.

 

[BigJoe#1]

No. A party that stands against that and looks to pro actively contribute into making the EU work - I can't see why we have a party that turns its back, doesn't listen, heckles and acts like twats when they could pushing to make reforms better for our nation and the EU.

Anything that the commissioners don't want is ever likely to succeed in the European Parliament. Plus trying to initiate large scale changes in a forum that requires virtual unanimity from 28 member states, especially when you are not part of the inner sanctum makes the likelihood of getting change to be somewhere between no hope and no chance. That I'm afraid the position our country is in, in its present state/role in the EU.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Anything that the commissioners don't want is ever likely to succeed in the European Parliament. Plus trying to initiate large scale changes in a forum that requires virtual unanimity from 28 member states, especially when you are not part of the inner sanctum makes the likelihood of getting change to be somewhere between no hope and no chance. That I'm afraid the position our country is in, in its present state/role in the EU.

What laws have the EU forced on us which has made this country so bad ?