EU referendum

[urmston]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

 

[Helmet Cole]

59-41% its still sliding. Come on inners cast your votes!

 

[blueinsa]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

The so called victories he has claimed of late are token and have been gifted to him by Merkel and co, hoping to fool the British public, nothing more, nothing less.

A vote to remain will be the green light to them to do whatever it is they want.

 

[jimbopm]

After yesterdays call by an EU bureaucrat for a ban on referendums, today we have another one, the vice-president of the European parliament, telling us that Cameron's renegaotiation deal is not legally binding.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk...u-clearly-went-too-far-in-brexit-concessions/

Cameron has conned us about this matter, and anyone who believes anything he says about the benefits of staying in the EU needs to question why he should be trusted about anything he says on the matter.

I don't think you'll find many supporters of the remain campaign are doing so because they trust David Cameron. They are doing so because the overwhelming majority of studies conducted on Britain outside of the EU suggest we would be worse off.

 

[jimbopm]

 

[Moriati]

Who can feel a few Bank Bail-Ins on the agenda?

The likelihood of the Italian can finally spilling worms all over the kitchen floor. Italian bank shares have dropped 50% in value, with €360bn in bad debts putting off all but those with the most faith in insurance company solvency. That’s nearly 20% of the Italian GDP. There is much talk of funds for this, insurers and asset managers for that, and bail-ins for the other.

 

[whp.blue]

59-41% its still sliding. Come on inners cast your votes!

how do you know that all the bluemoon inners haven't already voted?

 

[Helmet Cole]

how do you know that all the bluemoon inners haven't already voted?

Maybe a lot of them are far to clever to stoop to such a tawdry thing as a poll? ;-)

 

[cibaman]

They're fingers in the air because the forecasters don't know what the future relationship will be between the EU and the UK and are making different assumptions. For example, Oxford Economics' estimate of -0.10% assumes a continuing close relationship similar to Norway (including retaining free movement of labour). Their -3.90% forecast is based on the assumption that no deal is struck and we're into tariffs. Until we know where we will end up on that spectrum, the economists are bound to produce widely varying estimates.

That's one of the fundamental problems of the referendum. Nobody really knows what they are voting for.

 

[jimbopm]

They're fingers in the air because the forecasters don't know what the future relationship will be between the EU and the UK and are making different assumptions. For example, Oxford Economics' estimate of -0.10% assumes a continuing close relationship similar to Norway (including retaining free movement of labour). Their -3.90% forecast is based on the assumption that no deal is struck and we're into tariffs. Until we know where we will end up on that spectrum, the economists are bound to produce widely varying estimates.

That's one of the fundamental problems of the referendum. Nobody really knows what they are voting for.

I do accept your point, but part of the debate is to try and predict the consequences of a brexit. Tellingly out of the 6 studies I have referenced, only 2 forecast a benefit to GDP in a best case scenario.