EU referendum

[Dazzacity]

I'm voting out. Seen with my own eyes where eu migrants are taken on for work before British people. I'd say the last 15 or 20 workers taken on at my place of work have been eu migrants. Corporations are fookin loving it!. A massive pool of people to pick from means our wages will become lower and we will become even more undervalued as a worker. manager's love the eu migrants as they'll work all the hours under the sun and stars. Why should we be discriminated against just because we like to live our lives rather than money grabbing and making some fat cats at the top few extra million.

Seriously, it'll get a hell of a lot worse.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I thought he'd be on a different thread expressing his lack of sympathy and utter contempt for the poster who got caught jumping a red light.

Possibly he can multi task

 

[Pino]

It's got to be unanimous. Good luck with that considering Greece and Cyprus both have to vote yes.

They also have to fulfill about 40 criteria for membership, so far they've passed 1. We're not going to see Turkey in the EU for a long time if ever.

Erdogan's running rings round the eu. He's had no resistance to his blackmailing. And he's killing kurds in his own country. Merkel chooses some rather despotic bedfellows doesn't she ?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I'm voting out. Seen with my own eyes where eu migrants are taken on for work before British people. I'd say the last 15 or 20 workers taken on at my place of work have been eu migrants. Corporations are fookin loving it!. A massive pool of people to pick from means our wages will become lower and we will become even more undervalued as a worker. manager's love the eu migrants as they'll work all the hours under the sun and stars. Why should we be discriminated against just because we like to live our lives rather than money grabbing and making some fat cats at the top few extra million.

Seriously, it'll get a hell of a lot worse.

You should just accept that millions more migrants will make your life much better, as they don't affect your wages in the slightest.

 

[Dazzacity]

You should just accept that millions more migrants will make your life much better, as they don't affect your wages in the slightest.

1.5% pay rise over the last three years says different. Why would they bang our wages up when an eu migrant will do it for a lot less?.

 

[kippax4ever]

You should just accept that millions more migrants will make your life much better, as they don't affect your wages in the slightest.

Partly agree with you when you stated(as they don't affect your wages in the slightest)
Well going by the massive distribution centre that use to be in a area off middleton,which closed & moved it elsewhere,which now only employes eastern europeans.
So in fact it dont affect your wages in the slightest.It puts you on the Fking Dole instead...
Carry on leaving in cloud Cuckoo land for those who say different....

 

[west didsblue]

It's got to be unanimous. Good luck with that considering Greece and Cyprus both have to vote yes.

They also have to fulfill about 40 criteria for membership, so far they've passed 1. We're not going to see Turkey in the EU for a long time if ever.

If the big countries want Turkey in, they'll lean on the small countries and as for the criteria for membership, the rules are bent to suit. Look at Greece and most of Eastern Europe

The point I was making was that Cameron was at pains to point out that we have a veto and implied he would use it. This is totally at odds with what he's said previously. At the moment Turkey are in a strong bargaining position because they could open the floodgates for refugees if they wanted and if they want quick accession to the EU the refugee card will be played.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Partly agree with you when you stated(as they don't affect your wages in the slightest)
Well going by the massive distribution centre that use to be in a area off middleton,which closed & moved it elsewhere,which now only employes eastern europeans.
So in fact it dont affect your wages in the slightest.It puts you on the Fking Dole instead...
Carry on leaving in cloud Cuckoo land for those who say different....

I couldn't agree more, I think the irony/lazy sarcasm I used may have been missed. Those who say different, are usually qualified professionals, mostly
from the left, who's knowledge and interraction with the true working class is generally limited to condescension and patronising. These people, in the main,
are unaffected by mass immigration, so will counter any concerns with 'Well, if you're too thick to advance yourself via education, you can't blame immigrants.'
What they don't get is the unassailable fact that some folk, although far from thick, only progress so far, and are part of a very large demographic that are willing and able to work
but faced with millions of competitors for the type of work you describe, are either working for wages that will be constantly depressed, or indeed thrown on the dole.

 

[kippax4ever]

I couldn't agree more, I think the irony/lazy sarcasm I used may have been missed. Those who say different, are usually qualified professionals, mostly
from the left, who's knowledge and interraction with the true working class is generally limited to condescension and patronising. These people, in the main,
are unaffected by mass immigration, so will counter any concerns with 'Well, if you're too thick to advance yourself via education, you can't blame immigrants.'
What they don't get is the unassailable fact that some folk, although far from thick, only progress so far, and are part of a very large demographic that are willing and able to work
but faced with millions of competitors for the type of work you describe, are either working for wages that will be constantly depressed, or indeed thrown on the dole.

As for what you said about condescending & patronising,i fully comprehend(another example/fact)IDS(the cnt)said about the 15billion crossrail project,that we don't have the skilled trades.
here in the uk,& thats why eastern labour & others was brought in..
Yet the same man is making them so called tradesmen over here who can't get the work on the said site who are unemployed,to do forklift truck courses or some other meaningless course.
I applied for a position like hundreds & was told by the agent,its not going to happen(eastern european labour instead will be used)..
So then you here this fk-wit saying we,ve created 1million apprentices,Yeah right (no disrespect to those who work in mcdonalds or one off the big supermarket).but there not apprenticeships. Apprenticeships to me are engineering/construction & others trades,
So for all his spiel & like all mps he/them all pandering to big business & fk the uk workforce(even tho are taxes are paying for the fker)..

 

[smudgedj]

I couldn't agree more, I think the irony/lazy sarcasm I used may have been missed. Those who say different, are usually qualified professionals, mostly
from the left, who's knowledge and interraction with the true working class is generally limited to condescension and patronising. These people, in the main,
are unaffected by mass immigration, so will counter any concerns with 'Well, if you're too thick to advance yourself via education, you can't blame immigrants.'
What they don't get is the unassailable fact that some folk, although far from thick, only progress so far, and are part of a very large demographic that are willing and able to work
but faced with millions of competitors for the type of work you describe, are either working for wages that will be constantly depressed, or indeed thrown on the dole.

Basically it's working-class people who experience the downsides of immigration. Which really is the lefts core voters.

 

[grunge]

I'm voting out. Seen with my own eyes where eu migrants are taken on for work before British people. I'd say the last 15 or 20 workers taken on at my place of work have been eu migrants. Corporations are fookin loving it!. A massive pool of people to pick from means our wages will become lower and we will become even more undervalued as a worker. manager's love the eu migrants as they'll work all the hours under the sun and stars. Why should we be discriminated against just because we like to live our lives rather than money grabbing and making some fat cats at the top few extra million.

Seriously, it'll get a hell of a lot worse.

Odds are even voting out this wont change, when you look at the other countries that are "out" but still trade with the EU ( Norway , Switzerland etc ) they have to obey the same free movement rules.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Basically it's working-class people who experience the downsides of immigration. Which really is the lefts core voters.

Correct, however, many of the blokes I know are now not Labour voters, their fathers were, and Grandfathers, but they have seen this rise
of middle class leftists dominating a party that now bears no relation to what it used to be.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Odds are even voting out this wont change, when you look at the other countries that are "out" but still trade with the EU ( Norway , Switzerland etc ) they have to obey the same free movement rules.

You have a point, but if the result of this vote is to leave, abiding by the main thing that has triggered a referendum in the first place will take some balls
from whoever is in power by then.

 

[smudgedj]

Correct, however, many of the blokes I know are now not Labour voters, their fathers were, and Grandfathers, but they have seen this rise
of middle class leftists dominating a party that now bears no relation to what it used to be.

Labours contempt for their traditional working class voters is almost palpable. Lets hope they recognise it.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Its quite simple. As the EU becomes a federation of nations much like the us states (or USSR) it will have to level off. Money flows from rich areas to poor ones, and poor people move from poor areas to rich ones until an equilibrium is reached.
The movement of money was shown by that telegraph article posted yesterday which showed the contributions of each member state vs net gains. The movement of people is shown by some of the posts today as well as the true immigration figures. Poland's relationship with the UK is a neat demonstration of all this, but I'm sure there are others. Of course this flow of labour mainly affects semi skilled or unskilled labour so none of our decision makers in either Whitehall or Brussels are affected. What's not to like?

 

[Helmet Cole]

Today's scare. 820000 jobs to go on brexit - really? Yawn.

 

[blueonblue]

Odds are even voting out this wont change, when you look at the other countries that are "out" but still trade with the EU ( Norway , Switzerland etc ) they have to obey the same free movement rules.

Utter nonsense , why dont you try the USA as an example of countries that trade without having to leave the f*cking door wide open ?

 

[Paul_Powers_Tash]

Odds are even voting out this wont change, when you look at the other countries that are "out" but still trade with the EU ( Norway , Switzerland etc ) they have to obey the same free movement rules.

I don't know about Sweden but I do know that Switzerland DO NOT have to abide by any EU free movement of people laws. To say that they do is simply untrue. If we left the EU we WOULD gain control over our borders if we chose to do so.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't know about Sweden but I do know that Switzerland DO NOT have to abide by any EU free movement of people laws. To say that they do is simply untrue. If we left the EU we WOULD gain control over our borders if we chose to do so.

They might not HAVE to (I doubt it) but last time I was there, there were no border controls between Switzerland and Germany or France.

 

[grunge]

Utter nonsense , why dont you try the USA as an example of countries that trade without having to leave the f*cking door wide open ?

what a utterly ridiculous statement, the USA isn't part of the EEA. You want to be part of the EEA you abide by the rules of it, and pay a shit ton of cash to it! one of the key rules is free movement of people.