EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Why is it the in campaign can only throw various economical/financial doomsday scenarios, why can they not highlight some non monetary benefits of staying in the EU.....why can they not explain to us how we are going to be enriched by giving up our independence, Why can they not tell us anything good about staying in rather than sticking to the one and only tactic of telling us how much money it will cost each of us? The answer greed.

The consequences of staying in this failing monster are far more complex than money. Yes there maybe a price to pay for having the good sense to leave before it really starts going tits up, but nothing compared to that our kids will pay if we stay in. You can of course take the same attitude as Cameron and Osborne and not give two fucks about that because they will be all right long gone to enjoy their ill gotten retirement nest eggs by then......which of course may well not be quite as substancial were we to leave and of course their political careers would almost certainly be brought to pretty much an end.
 
So at the end of the day it all come down to the profits of the big companies(power), which if we leave will possibly decrease so us sheep will have to pay more for the shit they shovel us. Definitely voting out aha.
 
smudgedj said:
So we are both in agreement then. They are here because it´s an advantage to be here. Those advantages would be enhanced if the UK was free to offer deals and terms that it is currently prevented from doing by the need to comply with EU rules and directives.
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Advantages will be enhanced for some and hindered for others, I have no doubt in my mind that if we leave it will cost jobs in some areas in the short term, in the long run jobs may well be created in others. It will get more expensive on the ground for us.
 
Your arguments fall flat when threatening higher prices due to tariffs being imposed by the EU, besides the simple fact they sell to us at roughly 2-1 what are the chances of say Merc/BMW being happy at giving Jaguar / Range Rover a price advantage ?, do you think Australian or Chilean wine makers would not be ready willing and able to put the French nose out of joint, ect.

Goods are cheaper on the world market, but even if they were not , what price do you put on your freedom to deal with who the f*ck you want without some c*nt telling you otherwise ?.
 
purplenose said:
Why is it the in campaign can only throw various economical/financial doomsday scenarios, why can they not highlight some non monetary benefits of staying in the EU.....
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The same reason the outers usually spout pie in the sky wishful thinking.

Anyways, people have posted lots of things the EU have done for us and non monitory advantages, The main non Monitory advantage to me is the fact that at a drop of a hat I could, if I fancied a change, move anywhere in the EU, if I fancied it I could try 5/6 different lifestyles over a few years, if exiting the EU stops free movement ( which is debatable ) then doing that becomes a lot harder.

I don't have a degree so moving somewhere like the states of Canada becomes far near impossible, even now with 20+ years experience in my field it would be very problematic to get into the states.
 
grunge said:
Advantages will be enhanced for some and hindered for others, I have no doubt in my mind that if we leave it will cost jobs in some areas in the short term, in the long run jobs may well be created in others. It will get more expensive on the ground for us.
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Which areas do you think it will cost jobs?
 
grunge said:
Advantages will be enhanced for some and hindered for others, I have no doubt in my mind that if we leave it will cost jobs in some areas in the short term, in the long run jobs may well be created in others. It will get more expensive on the ground for us.
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Whatever happens we will adapt, I don't think it will cost jobs because it is likely we will replace those jobs and the government will have to adapt to that, pretty simple really. The main problem is the interim or next 10 years where we have to change our laws and bring in a UK way of doing things. The effect however of either result will be negligible apart from to a select, impossible to predict who, group of people.

Whichever way we put it, leaving poses the chance of most risk but also the most gain, staying poses some risk and links our future with that of the EU but in the longer term who is to say it won't get better? People should just base their choice on whether they want to be a member of the EU and the chance of losing or gaining benefits associated with that membership. Being able to work easily within the EU is one that I for example see for myself. Either way though, there are a hundred of these benefits/counters on both sides of the coin and it is almost impossible for two people to settle an argument on it because everyone is different and everyone experiences membership of the EU and it's priveleges differently.

Either way, there are no facts anyone can say for either because no-one can predict the future. Each campaign will redirect the 'facts' to their own means but either cancels the other out by the simple fact again you cannot predict the future. Households will not be worse off, taxes will not change and just about everyone should keep their jobs because being a member of the EU does not directly influence these things. There will however be no doubt a select group who will be affected but if we left they just have to adapt and will do.

I think out poses the biggest opportunity in our lifetime for the country but for each person individually I don't think it will make any difference at all in the long term. June the 23rd will come and go and either way the 24th will be business as usual.

The world is a far more important group to be part of and the UK is part of that world.. Will being a member of a group of some of those countries or not change that fact?
 
grunge said:
The same reason the outers usually spout pie in the sky wishful thinking.

Anyways, people have posted lots of things the EU have done for us and non monitory advantages, The main non Monitory advantage to me is the fact that at a drop of a hat I could, if I fancied a change, move anywhere in the EU, if I fancied it I could try 5/6 different lifestyles over a few years, if exiting the EU stops free movement ( which is debatable ) then doing that becomes a lot harder.

I don't have a degree so moving somewhere like the states of Canada becomes far near impossible, even now with 20+ years experience in my field it would be very problematic to get into the states.
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What other European countries languages do you speak?
 
blueonblue said:
Your arguments fall flat when threatening higher prices due to tariffs being imposed by the EU, besides the simple fact they sell to us at roughly 2-1 what are the chances of say Merc/BMW being happy at giving Jaguar / Range Rover a price advantage ?, do you think Australian or Chilean wine makers would not be ready willing and able to put the French nose out of joint, ect.

Goods are cheaper on the world market, but even if they were not , what price do you put on your freedom to deal with who the f*ck you want without some c*nt telling you otherwise ?.
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And at no point did I say they would be adding tariffs. Just putting tax rules back to the way they were would add 15/20% onto the price of things.

As for goods being cheaper on the free market! Try finding an item ( tv for example ) get the uk price, get the German price, then get the Far East price. Add tax and import duties, and delivery etc etc and see if what's cheaper.
 
Anyone see the cretin on BBC news who is voting out because the EU stops us limiting non EU migration?
I thought that was bad...
Then I watched the leave campaign broadcast after the news - embarrassingly infantile!
 
Manchester_lalala said:
It's why we will remain in the eu, the bullshit he comes out with persuades the neutrals to vote to stay in.
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I haven't yet heard anyone outlining the benefits of staying in or coming out. All we hear are the 'Armageddon' tales of what would happen if we vote the opposite way of the current speaker! For who profess that they have a handle on what the future holds inside or outside the EU I should think that they would have less trouble sorting out six numbers on the National Lottery or putting a tenner on next seasons winner of the PL!
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Anyone see the cretin on BBC news who is voting out because the EU stops us limiting non EU migration?
I thought that was bad...
Then I watched the leave campaign broadcast after the news - embarrassingly infantile!
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I enjoyed it. So good I watched the repeat. So now I've seen it 4 times.
 
every 4/5 years we get the opportunity to vote in our own greedy, self-serving pigs that wish to feed at the trough, that in itself is bad enough, however brussels is full of unelected, greedy self-serving pigs who don't give a shit about uk except for the financial payments we make which they waste on unnecessary schemes which are of no benefit except to their own ego's, money which could / should be put to better use. and as we are hearing now of the threats from the likes of mr juncter that we will be very sorry if we vote out, well up yours mr juncter, europe will implode on itself because of self serving pigs like you who have had a good life off the backs of the working man/woman.
i'm not sure what game cameron is playing, is he saying he wants in because when the european ideal goes pearshaped, which it will, he/great britain won't be blamed. sorry i understand those thoughts but as primeminister he should be battling for great britain and tell europe why the people of this country may vote out and one very good reason is the stupidity of merkal and other european ministers opening the floodgates which have undoubtably allowed possibly hundreds of terrorists into europe unchecked and what has happened in paris and brussels will continue and i fear for euro 16.
also as we heard at christmas and new year the sexual assaults by muslim men who have little respect for the female sex, does anyone want to take the chance of increased risk to our wives, girlfriends, daughters, nieces et al ? i do fear for the future of our children.
these are just 3 reasons why i want out, for us to govern ourselves and to allow this country to grow economically and i see no reason if we do leave why we can't.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Anyone see the cretin on BBC news who is voting out because the EU stops us limiting non EU migration?
I thought that was bad...
Then I watched the leave campaign broadcast after the news - embarrassingly infantile!
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That's a really valid and important point you raise there.... I will seriously consider changing my mind based on this fantastic revelation. I'm not cheap so it might take a bit more than that but thanks for bringing it to the table!

Did you say embarrassingly infantile?
 
blueonblue said:
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In my opinion the referendum campain by the leave group has done immeasurable harm to the idea that we live in a fair democracy. When we suffered the remain vote of the previous referendum most of the bias was produced via newspapers and television and we had no voice apart from at the ballot box. So after the vote we all swallowed the bullshit and went back to normal. That's all we could do.

This time around it's different. We have the internet and people are able to talk to each other and voice their dislike of the way our leaders are prepared to lie and lie and lie again in order to manipulate us. We are aware in a way that we never have been previously.

Like in the Scottish referendum the fear tactics worked for them and no doubt the fear tactics will work again for us. But the aftermath will be different this time. There will be nearly half of the population disenchanted and disillusioned by the other half swallowing the bullshit and that anger will manifest itself in a political shift on a scale with the SNP kicking labour to death. If Cameron thinks he's doing his party a favour by winning the referendum on scare tactics he is disillusioned. In my view he is just stirring up an avalanche of ire that will come back to damage his party like never before.
 
Odds on leave lengthen by the day, it's not surprising when you look at the leave campaigns lack of British values, also demonstrated by a good chunk of the leave campaigners on here
 
YPhrunts said:
If Cameron thinks he's doing his party a favour by winning the referendum on scare tactics he is disillusioned. In my view he is just stirring up an avalanche of ire that will come back to damage his party like never before.
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If there was an opposition in the UK you may have a point but as things stand we are a one party state
 
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