EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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I've no interest in changing your mind, you are an irrelevance to me. But when you state things that are nonsense - like claiming people don't care about immigration being an issue - it's not inappropriate to say "rubbish".
Likewise, which is kind of what I did before you started getting all "foamy".

Again, I didn't state people don't care about immigration, I stated that people aren't too fussed about accepting or rejecting certain EU trading laws/stipulations since countries like China, US, India, Brazil etc do so without needing the same requirements. This could mean joining EEA, EFTA or renegotiating a brand new treaty with the EU, specific to the UK. THAT is what outers aren't fussed about; that FoM may be kept or discarded, either way they aren't fussed.

You don't like when others point out flaws in your viewpoint, do you. So, water under the bridge, and all that, let's focus on having a mature debate rather than nitpicking and selecting posts that help one's narrative.
 
I notice you've edited my post without putting it in full.

I quoted it in full, as others saw. You edited it afterwards having thought about how stupid your claim was. Perhaps you'd like me to ask a mod to show us your original post?

I'm done debating with you. As you say, you're entitled to your opinion. Good luck.
 
I quoted it in full, as others saw. You edited it afterwards having thought about how stupid your claim was. Perhaps you'd like me to ask a mod to show us your original post?

I'm done debating with you. As you say, you're entitled to your opinion. Good luck.
No, you didn't, as my above post shows.
 
Likewise, which is kind of what I did before you started getting all "foamy".

Again, I didn't state people don't care about immigration

Really? Sorry we obviously misunderstood when you said "The UK may have to agree to continuing free movement of labour, but nobody really cares about that"
 
Really? Sorry we obviously misunderstood when you said "The UK may have to agree to continuing free movement of labour, but nobody really cares about that"

"comma, but nobody really cares about that, nor is it a sticking point as an argument to leave. It might be for some, but not all and from what i've seen its a minor complaint.But the fact remains that the EU MUST reach an agreement with any former member state."

I thought you were done debating with me?
 
and the most recent available evidence tells us that that neither employment or wages are affected by immigration. Moreover, immigration is shown to have helped pay for public services, the idea that immigrants are a drain is a myth. Until any new studies come to light to support the contrary then I will continue in my view that immigration is not the problem that the right-wing media would have you believe it is.

The ones you posted that date back to before the restrictions were lifted ?, your statement is a nonsense as proved by common sense.
 
It's a shame that we can't have a reasonable debate about migration without resorting to accusations of 'racism' and name-calling.

I personally would sympathise with anyone who wants to vote 'out' based upon a direct experience of their employment or wages being affected by immigration. To have a proper debate however we must look at the evidence, and the most recent available evidence tells us that that neither employment or wages are affected by immigration. Moreover, immigration is shown to have helped pay for public services, the idea that immigrants are a drain is a myth. Until any new studies come to light to support the contrary then I will continue in my view that immigration is not the problem that the right-wing media would have you believe it is.

Housing on the other hand is a very real problem and I can understand the concerns of people who worry about the impact of a growing population as a result of growing net migration. This is a very real issue, however it is a domestic one to be sorted out by our governments. Suddenly restricting or even closing our borders will not result in a surge in the number of social houses being built, certainly not with this government because it is not in their interests to do so. They want to pursue a policy of private ownership, which is where their voters are. Unfortunately applying increased border controls will just drain us of the labour supply that contributes to the economy and tax receipts, tax receipts which should be going into housebuilding.

So whilst it might make people more comfortable to vote 'out' in order to try and solve a housing problem, think of who an out vote actually benefits. It's not the left, who would pursue investment in social housing and support services. The beneficiaries would be the right, the property owners and investors who will scoop up property and charge the earth for the lower classes to rent them.

Its not just the housing, but the strain on NHS and other services - i work in London, honestly - im lucky to fit on the train let alone get a seat now days - it was never like this about 10 years ago, traffic now days is unbearable in the south east and there's constant new builds going up. Im not anti immigration at all, but i did feel there is a population crisis on our hands and i cant see how having open borders will ease this problem
 
What you edited was, ""LOL" (are you 12?), I think you'll find they don't."

And you changed it to ""LOL" (are you 12?), I think you'll find they don't. I don't know of any outers personally who think we shouldn't trade at all with Europe."

That's what I said you edited, which you did. The added sentence is completely off topic since no-one is claiming that nor debating it. I can only guess you added it to seek to divert attention from your initial gaff.

As to my only quoting only the underlined part of your sentence, "The UK may have to agree to continuing free movement of labour, but nobody really cares about that, nor is it a sticking point as an argument to leave. It might be for some, but not all and from what i've seen its a minor complaint."?

Well that's pretty irrelevant whether I quote whole sentence or not. It's a ridiculous claim either in whole or in part.
 
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