Who gives a fuck who had what first?Those are liberal European values and let's not forget that NZ, Aus, Finland, Norway and parts of Russia all had female suffrage first. Single sex marriage was in a dozen countries some of them relatively conservative catholic ones before the UK, democracy would perhaps be claimed as a Greek value etc so yes they are British values but it's probably fairer to say they were liberal European values
I can certainly concur on the Saudi part, the British often aww our values as peculiarly British, my point was those were universal western liberal values true in much of Europe, North America etcWho gives a fuck who had what first?
Stoner asked what British values were. I answered.
I doubt any country had full hegemony on any set of values. Other than maybe KSA. But I wouldn't want theirs and only ISIS seems to want to copy them.
Basically Any international company that set up factories and HQ's in the UK that did it to trade with Europe. Which will be quite a few.
Currently I dont speak any other languages very well, But I would happily learn the language of any country I moved to. Im guessing by your comment you have not traveled much in Europe as its very easy to get by without knowing the language as they all speak English as its the global business language. In many EU countries we have seen the locals even speaking English to each other as practice. In Denmark even the road signs and landmarks have English as the primary language.
Fair enough. I certainly don't think Britain is particularly special for this values and they shouldn't be used as a reason for leaving the EU. I was just replying to stoner who asked what British values were.I can certainly concur on the Saudi part, the British often aww our values as peculiarly British, my point was those were universal western liberal values true in much of Europe, North America etc
That first point You think these companies have spent billions here on factories and training a workforce are suddenly going to lift and shift.
You could even argue that the billions we pay annually to the EU would generate more UK jobs if it were spent here instead.
That first point You think these companies have spent billions here on factories and training a workforce are suddenly going to lift and shift.
Yes, its much easier to move British jobs than those of many other European countries, we are a 'service' country, very little industry anymore, very few factories. We have spent decades running the economy for the benefit of the 'City', now if that were to begin to relocate to Frankfurt for example then the 'scare stories' of a 6% drop in GDP would be laughably underestimated
Companies have been lifting and shifting out of the UK for the whole of my lifetime, not sure why it would be any less because we banned the Polish or Muslims from entering
Yes, that's exactly what I think and expect, if a company thinks they will be more profitable moving, they will, and wont bat an eye lid doing it.
Do you believe for one second that the general public or businesses ( baring ones with links to the gov ) will see any of that money?.
I can't even bring myself to read it the propaganda machine of the express would look extreme even on North Korea. I heard there is an article in the sports section that Farahe shot 29 for 18 holes beating Kim Jong Il's previous world record. You can't even trust the date on the front pageSo there we have it, Britain is in the European Union for the benefit of Germany. And the remain camp keep telling us that trade would suffer after Brexit. Hahahahahah.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/673068/Germany-Brexit-EU-referendum-banks-economy-recession
This is where people on the Brexit side are so utterly deluded , companies who want to trade with the rest of the world without EU rules will base themselves in Asia where production is cheaper, education is increasingly higher, land is cheaper, ports and roads are modern and more efficient, airports new, broadband is 5x quicker, you are nearer to all the growing markets in the world and rules are easier.If we left the union then more companies would move here; they would no longer have to follow the EU regulations when they trade with the rest of the world, whereas their still Europe based competitors would have to follow all the EU regulations for all aspects of their business.
Making it cheaper to move to the UK to do business, imagine a UK that could control its own regulations and negotiate its own trade deals. Winner.
This is where people on the Brexit side are so utterly deluded , companies who want to trade with the rest of the world without EU rules will base themselves in Asia where production is cheaper, education is increasingly higher, land is cheaper, ports and roads are modern and more efficient, airports new, broadband is 5x quicker, you are nearer to all the growing markets in the world and rules are easier.
If Britain is exiting because it thinks it can compete and beat China , Korea etc then the Brexit idea is worse than I thought much much worse. I hadn't even considered that people were thinking and believing that and if so how little they must know of the market conditions and infrastructures across the globe.
If that's a serious idea then you better up immigration 5 fold and get labour from cheaper countries as there is no way that the UK will beat Asia on education, technology and infrastructure now so it will have to be cheaper labour and better access to Europe (sorry scrap the latter)
Because they have a great access to Europe in Many cases and that is a benefit both in trading terms wise, geography and in terms of local production/marketing etc. Some may not have the scale as well The finance industry is protected short term as much of Asia hasn't opened up financially in terms of liberalisation yet . You are putting some great inner arguments forwardThen why haven´t they fucked off to Asia already?
So they wont go to Asia, they will stay in Europe. Glad we cleared that up.Because they have a great access to Europe in Many cases and that is a benefit both in trading terms wise, geography and in terms of local production/marketing etc. Some may not have the scale as well The finance industry is protected short term as much of Asia hasn't opened up financially in terms of liberalisation yet . You are putting some great inner arguments forward
This is where people on the Brexit side are so utterly deluded , companies who want to trade with the rest of the world without EU rules will base themselves in Asia where production is cheaper, education is increasingly higher, land is cheaper, ports and roads are modern and more efficient, airports new, broadband is 5x quicker, you are nearer to all the growing markets in the world and rules are easier.
If Britain is exiting because it thinks it can compete and beat China , Korea etc then the Brexit idea is worse than I thought much much worse. I hadn't even considered that people were thinking and believing that and if so how little they must know of the market conditions and infrastructures across the globe.
If that's a serious idea then you better up immigration 5 fold and get labour from cheaper countries as there is no way that the UK will beat Asia on education, technology and infrastructure now so it will have to be cheaper labour and better access to Europe (sorry scrap the latter)
Some will but if they lose access to the market , don't produce to spec and truly go on to the open world market to compete evenly then the very basic principles of caputalism dictate that many won't stay unless they can drive down costs dramatically. I suspect this driving down of wages and workers rights is the main aim of the Tory and business elements of Brexit.So they wont go to Asia, they will stay in Europe. Glad we cleared that up.
Because of much better, organised and bigger investment in infrastructureWhy is the broadband quicker over there, are they the ones that grow the internet?
Can't believe it. This is like that time I found out Yorkshire Tea isn't from Yorkshire!
Seems like rules for getting free house are as follows in UK:
Free house
EU national and take your family and make them homeless
EU national And marry African (non EU illegal) who works but can't afford private rental
No free house
British single national
British disabled national
British soldier
British family where father is looking free children
Makes me fucken sick knowing we pay a fortune for these scum to sway in here and steal all the benefits
I wonder what my chances are of getting my entire family housed in Romania, Saudi or any other EU state with funding are!?
Time for the people of Britain to stand up against this evil perverted government and the wicked ways of the EU