No that money will all be spent on bureaucrats who have to do all the work common EU resources do now . Opening up the UK to open competition with Asia is exceptionally brave so I suspect some money will be needed for that huge amounts in fact£160m a week is approximately our net cash contribution (dependant upon sources) after we receive our rebate and investments. In the context you describe it could be called "fuck all" but....
If we put say £7m of that money into the Steel Industry, we'd still have £153m to invest elsewhere plus we'd have employment in an employment black spot, plus we'd gave a reduced benefits bill that the state would have to pay, and that's jyst an example for starters. We'd be able to have the choice do this if we were outside the EU. Being the EU creates barriers that we're not capable of breaching.
Now shall we consider what we should do with the other £153m..... a week? A few new hospitals? More doctors! More Teachers? More schools? More police officers? Just a few suggestions.
Brexit campaign and Scottish independence campaign. are eerily similar which is strange as Johnson and salmond don't seem peas in a podYou know, I don't buy this "Project Fear" bollocks that the Brexiteers come out with at all.
In the Scottish referendum, it was entirely legitimate to point out the potential adverse consequences of a decision to separate Scotland from the UK. Entirely legitimate. Sturgeon and Salmond were assuring us that yes, we'd be fine using Sterling, we'd still be a member of the EU without any trouble, and we could still have Brenda as our lovely Old Queen. But taking all that at face value wasn't really good enough for a majority of the Scots electorate, and rightly so. Just because Alex says it'll be ok is no basis at all for such an important decision as to take Scotland out of the U.K. .
It was right in the Scots situation, and it is absolutely right in the EU referendum situation. Again, just because Gove says it'll be okay is no basis at all for people to vote to remove the UK from the EU. A decision of such moment needs far better justification, and demonstrable proof that it is the correct one. So far, that is entirely absent. So called "Project Fear" is entirely and unquestionably justified.
Apart from anything else, the implication that we should merely disregard any concerns or worries about the likely consequences of Brexit and simply grin beatifically as we take a giant leap into the darkness is frankly, highly insulting. Sturgeon and Salmond were arrogant and wrong in suggesting something similar and so are the Brexit crowd.
And that's a fact? What about the money we already spend in the UK supporting the EU in the way you describe?No that money will all be spent on bureaucrats who have to do all the work common EU resources do now . Opening up the UK to open competition with Asia is exceptionally brave so I suspect some money will be needed for that huge amounts in fact
Now shall we consider what we should do with the other £153m..... a week? A few new hospitals? More doctors! More Teachers? More schools? More police officers? Just a few suggestions.
Or more likely reduce borrowing and it will vanish into the massive debt hole never to be seen again, just think that money alone could pay off the UK debt in 128 years!.
While its not a trivial figure, and it would help out a bit, we shouldn't over estimate the impact it would have even if it did get spent on services, the NHS budget alone is over £2.2bn a week so even if all of it got spend on the NHS it would only be a 6% increase.
A lot of outers seem to think the savings will be some magic fix all for the NHS and other services, but it wont make much difference at all when you spread it around, if it gets seen at all.
Quite possibly you are correct, still in 128 years our debt would be gone, though you and I know that's a ridiculous scenario, the debt will grow, there is more money than just this going into paying it off.Or more likely reduce borrowing and it will vanish into the massive debt hole never to be seen again, just think that money alone could pay off the UK debt in 128 years!.
While its not a trivial figure, and it would help out a bit, we shouldn't over estimate the impact it would have even if it did get spent on services, the NHS budget alone is over £2.2bn a week so even if all of it got spend on the NHS it would only be a 6% increase.
A lot of outers seem to think the savings will be some magic fix all for the NHS and other services, but it wont make much difference at all when you spread it around, if it gets seen at all.
Bloody hell, are you inners going to be on suicide watch if the result goes against you? I don't think I've read such self inflicted depressing posts. Trust me there life outside the EU, and with call me Dave at the helm we look forward to..... Shit, any room on the suicide express you guys are on?Its a huge figure and would make a massive difference, just a shame it would be dwarfed by the billions we would lose by coming out of the worlds biggest market
Be like having a shop in the Trafford Centre, then moving to Wythenshawe Precinct as the rent was cheaper and wondering where all the customers had gone
(in a nutshell)
Maybe Bozza, Redwood and co could have sandwich boards on a wander round the Trafford Centre with 'we have moved...' signs and all would be good, but maybe not
Quite possibly you are correct, still in 128 years our debt would be gone, though you and I know that's a ridiculous scenario, the debt will grow, there is more money than just this going into paying it off.
I prefer to the Steel example. An investment of £1m a week would probably have an invisible return of over 50% in as much it will reduce the benefits bill. There are 11000 jobs at risk. Investing that £7m a week would save around £2m a week if there was an average of around say £180 paid in benefits, likely to me far higher. Plus you will have a product to sell, even if at a loss, which has already been covered by the £1m investment, it is still a return. Far better than closing the plant, burdening yourself with a £2m debt forever
Funny enough its been the lefties and liberals who have turned out to be the fascists in all this, every time anyone tried to raise genuine concerns on immigration numbers they were branded racist and shouted down, the rise of the far right is a direct result of these misguided halfwits.
The remainians should be looking at the political direction many EU countries are taking, Poland, Hungary, Austria, France to name but a few, the time for reasonable debate was sacrificed to panda to a vocal minority of idealistic fools, there is little chance of finding a solution that puts the cork back in the bottle now, meaning the problems will get worse an the answers more extreme.
Believe me I don't trust any British politician any more than I do the EU politicians. That said we do elect British politicians and whilst individual votes count for very little, we do have more of a say than we do in Europe. Weak I know but miles stronger than the vote we have in the EU!Yeah I was being a tad sarcastic with that one:)
there is no doubt it will help, I was just trying to make the point that its not some magic fix all, in terms of our entire budget its not a huge figure.
Do you not consider that Austrian vote and uprising of fright (this was an auto correct error, but I like it) wing groups across the whole of Europe has anything to do with the immigration crisis, the cause of the immigration crisis and the way the immigration crisis us being handled both by individual countries and by the collective EU? We cannot bury our heads in the sand and deny it.So rather than condemn the ignorant, racist little Englander post that quite clearly labelled foreign migrants as 'scum' you tell us that the poster was only messing about. Then you yourself fall into the same stereotype bollox and call 'lefties' fascists and blame them for the rise of the far right.
You've spouted a hell of a lot in this thread but this post shows your true colours.
And surely the small rise across Europe of far right groups is the definition of a 'vocal minority of idealistic fools'?
Its a huge figure and would make a massive difference, just a shame it would be dwarfed by the billions we would lose by coming out of the worlds biggest market
Be like having a shop in the Trafford Centre, then moving to Wythenshawe Precinct as the rent was cheaper and wondering where all the customers had gone
(in a nutshell)
Maybe Bozza, Redwood and co could have sandwich boards on a wander round the Trafford Centre with 'we have moved...' signs and all would be good, but maybe not
Can't see the relevance of your post in relation to the EU question.You are right there Monk.
Then there is this pish about that money then going into the country for whatever perceived help it could give. There would be no "spare money".
There is also more importantly the fact of the tax their buddies can't be arsed paying. If that was paid, it had been estimated by HMRC that "tax gap" for 2013/14 was £34bn. Now remember that is the HMRC's own figures, others regard it at £120bn but we will stick with £34bn. You can knock off some as they will be avoidance schemes rather than being outright illegal plus other non payments due to bankruptcy, simple errors, etc etc but you are still looking at £25bn. That is, to put it in Brexit speak £480m a week dwarfing the EU money.
They are just fucking about trying to find pennies in the couch.
There is well established information and far more recent and public that Putin support the break up of the EU so if we are going for conspiracy theories do we want to go with the US, NATO and Europe or with Russia?On September 19, 2000, going on 16 years ago, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the London Telegraph reported:
“Declassified American government documents show that the US intelligence community ran a campaign in the Fifties and Sixties to build momentum for a united Europe. It funded and directed the European federalist movement.
“The documents confirm suspicions voiced at the time that America was working aggressively behind the scenes to push Britain into a European state. One memorandum, dated July 26, 1950, gives ...
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2016/05/05/somnolent-europe-russia-and-china-paul-craig-roberts/
Can't see the relevance of your post in relation to the EU question.
Don't get me wrong, HMRC should be nailing every tax avoiding fucker and corporation every minute of every minute of fucking day.
I am no way a Tory sympathiser, I fucking hate Gove and Patel as much as I despise the lying Osborne and Cameron (well maybe I despise the latter pairing more at this precise moment). They are all in it together and the rest of us are in the shit. Don't think any different.
If Labour had a decent leader they would fuckin walk the next election, sadly Corbyn is as devisive as Cameron.
If you think we can afford to give away £160m a week, fine, but for me it's money we could use to benefit (albeit small) and build this country instead of being used to fucking move people once a month from fuckin Brussels to fuckin Strasbourg just to vote on how bent the bananas we buy should be!
Rant over, thank you!
So rather than condemn the ignorant, racist little Englander post that quite clearly labelled foreign migrants as 'scum' you tell us that the poster was only messing about. Then you yourself fall into the same stereotype bollox and call 'lefties' fascists and blame them for the rise of the far right.
You've spouted a hell of a lot in this thread but this post shows your true colours.
And surely the small rise across Europe of far right groups is the definition of a 'vocal minority of idealistic fools'?
Why is the broadband quicker over there, are they the ones that grow the internet?
Can't believe it. This is like that time I found out Yorkshire Tea isn't from Yorkshire!